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BUMP - New Information Available
After close inspection, the owner of the Deacon White N172 portrait has confirmed that the spelling on the card is in fact . . . McGreachery (a "G", not a "C") While I enjoyed this thread, a riddle is no longer likely unless, of course, McGreachery is an error and Goodwin really intended McCreachery ![]() ![]() Thank you to the card's owner, cyseymour, and others who helped make this an interesting thread.
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Thank you, Joe, for getting the owner of the card to look at it, and thank you to the owner for taking the time. It is highly appreciated and certainly provides some clarity.
It is fun to have theories about cards, and even if they are disproven later on, it was a great conversation that I enjoyed immensely. Thank you to everyone who took the time to participate. Probably we'll never have a true explanation for the card, but it seems like it may have been a misspelling of Jack McGeachy, who was the manager of Indianapolis at the time. The only thing we know for sure is that it is one cool card!!! ![]() |
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Thanks for the update. Since the last time we visited this topic, I was able to buy a better scanner. Here are some better scans of McGeachy. I believe it was determined that he was the indy CF at the time and I had proposed that he could have been a player/manager towards the end of the season even at 23 yrs of age, but it is just conjecture. Fun topic..................
mcgreacheryname056.jpgmcgeachyrhh057.jpg mcgeachyname058.jpgmcgeachy3103059.jpg |
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Just read through 11 pages. Good stuff. I am nearly 100% Irish myself and we are not just "reputed" to be drinkers. We can put it away! And I am going to tip a glass to both Mr. White and the mysterious McWhatever.
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Well... Just put it this way, I wish I read the last page before I read the entire thread... At least I freshened up on my Gaelic English, French, and Greek...
![]() Some of the references and facts used to prove the McGreachery name being a riddle was comparable to Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas trying to explain how gun control will lead to same sex marriage and sex with animals... Very comical to say the least. Although, some points to the riddle were plausible.. All in all, I enjoyed the critical thinking (mostly done by Cy ![]() ![]()
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I hate to bring up an old can of worms, but I was thinking about this thread this morning, and it dawned on me to research the name "McGrea". It turns out that "McGrea" is in fact the same name as "McCrea". They are just variable spellings. In fact, according to this website, are stem from the same name.
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/McGraw Therefore, the name "McGreachery" could very well still mean "Dear Son of God". In fact, the counter-theory for this card was that the confusion of the card was that it was really intended to write McGeachy, after Jack McGeachy of the Indianapolis team. But the thing is that Jack McGeachy's name also means "Son of God" McGea - son of God Chy - child Gaelic was a very rough language with many different spellings. That's why you are seeing variations of this word "Crea" in the form of "Gee", "Kee" (as in D. Mc.Kee), Crea, Grea, Graw, etc. In light of this discovery, it is very unlikely that the name "McGreachery" was a misspelling. My view is that it was probably done intentionally. Also, when you take into context the player involved, the card, and the name on it, was almost certainly a joke. Deacon White was a very well-known player - the greatest third baseman of the 19th century. Goodwin and Co. took seven other photos of Deacon White - they must have had a very good idea of whom he was. Remember, Deacon White had been in the league for over fifteen years by that time. He was also known for his wacky religious beliefs in an era, like today, of growing atheism. Also, keep in mind that most people were given a classical education in latin and french back then, and the word for God (crea/grea/graw/cray, however you want to pronounce it) is a vary basic word. Knowing all that, I just find it very hard to believe that the McGreachery name was written as some sort of accident. One of the reasons why we had the confusion between C and G for the card is that they look alike. They must look alike because those two letters were used almost interchangably in ancient times. So in retrospect, I don't believe that the fact that the name is McGreachery instead of McCreachery really makes it a flawed theory after all. |
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Good theory Jamie; I like that. BTW, here is the only other card with this Deacon White image, the proof used to create the N172. As far as I know, both the N172 and the proof are unique.
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