Babe Ruth?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

And these aren't, David, as you posted ""Nice pickup, the autograph book looks good."


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...autograph+book

Dude, stop it...the issue at hand is this Ruth autograph, not anything either one of you said or did in the past.

You claim this Ruth sig is bad...you said it in your second post to this thread, why you didn't say it in your first is a mystery, but anyway. You also say that you think it was rejected by PSA...why do you think that? The consignor says it has not, is he a liar? Is he the mystery man from Michigan?

[rscheck]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Dude, stop it...the issue at hand is this Ruth autograph, not anything either one of you said or did in the past.

You claim this Ruth sig is bad...you said it in your second post to this thread, why you didn't say it in your first is a mystery, but anyway. You also say that you think it was rejected by PSA...why do you think that? The consignor says it has not, is he a liar? Is he the mystery man from Michigan?

Dan I am many things, a liar isn't one of them. As I have said previously, I have had the ticket for twenty years and never attempted to get it authenticated before this auction. Any indication otherwise just is not true

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by rscheck

Dan I am many things, a liar isn't one of them. As I have said previously, I have had the ticket for twenty years and never attempted to get it authenticated before this auction. Any indication otherwise just is not true

For the record I don't believe you to be a liar. I would like Chris to answer my questions though. And I don't think that's too much to ask considering he started this thread.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by rscheck

Dan I am many things, a liar isn't one of them. As I have said previously, I have had the ticket for twenty years and never attempted to get it authenticated before this auction. Any indication otherwise just is not true

Richard, did you ever send or hand your Babe Ruth Signed Ticket to Heritage for examination or possible consignment?

[rscheck]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Richard, did you ever send or hand your Babe Ruth Signed Ticket to Heritage for examination or possible consignment?

I spoke to Rob Rosen at the same time I spoke to Josh. I have an email (Dated 1/7/13)from Rob saying he would send me an info packet to put my item in the auction. I can forward you the email if you like. I did not go with Rob because of the $'s. But NO the ticket was never sent to him!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by rscheck

I spoke to Rob Rosen at the same time I spoke to Josh. I have an email (Dated 1/7/13)from Rob saying he would send me an info packet to put my item in the auction. I can forward you the email if you like. I did not go with Rob because of the $'s. But NO the ticket was never sent to him!

Thank you, Richard.

Hopefully, I will speak to Josh tomorrow.

[mighty bombjack]

Oh man this thread is fascinating. So many of the intricacies of this autograph board (and the current state of the hobby itself) are writ large.

Great stuff.

[Runscott]

Blecch. I've only seen two of these autograph 'mystery' threads so far, but that's two too many - I'm surprised you all put up with it.

Later.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Blecch. I've only seen two of these autograph 'mystery' threads so far, but that's two too many - I'm surprised you all put up with it.

Later.

Scott,

It's like the car wreck that you can't keep from slowing down to look at.

[ATP]

I am not even sure why I am poking my head into this discussion, but from an observers prospective, or even a potential buyer I don't understand why if there is something that is clearly evident about why the autograph is or isn't authentic, in someones opinion, why that can't be clearly pointed out. It's not even necessary to go into detail about how or why one knows that, just what it is they see. There are some autographs that I know very well and when I see ones that either are or aren't authentic, I will readily offer up what I think is right or wrong about them, from my experience. I won't go into a diatribe about why the "n" in a mantle signature needs to be approached from a hoop downward prospective usually, etc...but I at least state what it is I like or don't like.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Richard, did you ever send or hand your Babe Ruth Signed Ticket to Heritage for examination or possible consignment?

Above is my original post.

Of all of the auction houses out there, how did I know that it was Heritage that Richard contacted initially about consigning that Babe Ruth Signed Ticket?

Think about that.

When I first read that Sports Collectors Daily email about the Babe Ruth Signed Ticket, something wasn't right about that Babe Ruth. It was the same feeling I had when I looked at David's avatar of his "1927 NY Yankees" team-signed baseball.

I trust my "autograph eye" more than anything else. Some of you like to make fun of that, but except for one person here, everyone wrote "it looks good." Forgeries are meant to have the appearance of "looking good."

The following is not meant to inflame this thread, but why did David's eye think that the autographs in that autograph book "looked good?"

I immediately checked my exemplar files to examine that particular style sig. I have numerous exemplars (one of which I posted).

Then I started to do my research and posted this thread. I posted this thread earlier then I wanted to, but I felt I had to because the auction was live.

Then everyone got impatient. In the meantime, I continued to do my research on that Babe Ruth Signed Ticket. And still, everyone continued to be impatient.

Research takes time. A lot of time and work.

Scott Garner, commented on the ticket itself. A generic Tigers ticket that was stamped with a date of July 13, 1934 on the day that The Sultan Of Swat slammed his 700th career homerun?

What also piqued my curiosity about the ticket is did The Bambino sign it on a flat surface? The Huggins & Scott auction description reads:

Following that game, her and her father were at The Fisher Building in Detroit where Babe Ruth was doing a radio interview and the woman was sitting next to Ruth's wife. They got to talking and the woman asked if Ruth would sign the ticket stub from the game that she attended where he hit his 700th home run. He obliged the request. The woman held the ticket until 1992, where she gave it to our consignor, as a gift.

I will have more later.

Just for the record, I stand behind my thread 100%.

[rscheck]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Above is my original post.

Of all of the auction houses out there, how did I know that it was Heritage that Richard contacted initially about consigning that Babe Ruth Signed Ticket?

Think about that.

When I first read that Sports Collectors Daily email about the Babe Ruth Signed Ticket, something wasn't right about that Babe Ruth. It was the same feeling I had when I looked at David's avatar of his "1927 NY Yankees" team-signed baseball.

I trust my "autograph eye" more than anything else. Some of you like to make fun of that, but except for one person here, everyone wrote "it looks good." Forgeries are meant to have the appearance of "looking good."

The following is not meant to inflame this thread, but why did David's eye think that the autographs in that autograph book "looked good?"

I immediately checked my exemplar files to examine that particular style sig. I have numerous exemplars (one of which I posted).

Then I started to do my research and posted this thread. I posted this thread earlier then I wanted to, but I felt I had to because the auction was live.

Then everyone got impatient. In the meantime, I continued to do my research on that Babe Ruth Signed Ticket. And still, everyone continued to be impatient.

Research takes time. A lot of time and work.

Scott Garner, commented on the ticket itself. A generic Tigers ticket that was stamped with a date of July 13, 1934 on the day that The Sultan Of Swat slammed his 700th career homerun?

What also piqued my curiosity about the ticket is did The Bambino sign it on a flat surface? The Huggins & Scott auction description reads:

Following that game, her and her father were at The Fisher Building in Detroit where Babe Ruth was doing a radio interview and the woman was sitting next to Ruth's wife. They got to talking and the woman asked if Ruth would sign the ticket stub from the game that she attended where he hit his 700th home run. He obliged the request. The woman held the ticket until 1992, where she gave it to our consignor, as a gift.

I will have more later.

Just for the record, I stand behind my thread 100%.

I contacted Heritage and H&S at the same time (I have emails to prove this). Mr. Rosen, after seeing an email of the ticket offered to send me a package to put the ticket in his auction (I have that email as well). After my conversations with H&S I felt more confortable with them simple as that. And just for the record I stand behind my story 100%.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Above is my original post.

Of all of the auction houses out there, how did I know that it was Heritage that Richard contacted initially about consigning that Babe Ruth Signed Ticket?

Think about that.

When I first read that Sports Collectors Daily email about the Babe Ruth Signed Ticket, something wasn't right about that Babe Ruth. It was the same feeling I had when I looked at David's avatar of his "1927 NY Yankees" team-signed baseball.

I trust my "autograph eye" more than anything else. Some of you like to make fun of that, but except for one person here, everyone wrote "it looks good." Forgeries are meant to have the appearance of "looking good."

The following is not meant to inflame this thread, but why did David's eye think that the autographs in that autograph book "looked good?"

I immediately checked my exemplar files to examine that particular style sig. I have numerous exemplars (one of which I posted).

Then I started to do my research and posted this thread. I posted this thread earlier then I wanted to, but I felt I had to because the auction was live.

Then everyone got impatient. In the meantime, I continued to do my research on that Babe Ruth Signed Ticket. And still, everyone continued to be impatient.

Research takes time. A lot of time and work.

Scott Garner, commented on the ticket itself. A generic Tigers ticket that was stamped with a date of July 13, 1934 on the day that The Sultan Of Swat slammed his 700th career homerun?

What also piqued my curiosity about the ticket is did The Bambino sign it on a flat surface? The Huggins & Scott auction description reads:

Following that game, her and her father were at The Fisher Building in Detroit where Babe Ruth was doing a radio interview and the woman was sitting next to Ruth's wife. They got to talking and the woman asked if Ruth would sign the ticket stub from the game that she attended where he hit his 700th home run. He obliged the request. The woman held the ticket until 1992, where she gave it to our consignor, as a gift.

I will have more later.

Just for the record, I stand behind my thread 100%.

Chris,

Thank you for the info.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Then everyone got impatient. In the meantime, I continued to do my research on that Babe Ruth Signed Ticket. And still, everyone continued to be impatient.

Research takes time. A lot of time and work.

Yet you posted that you knew already it was bad in your second post in the thread. You posted that while you were still doing research.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Yet you posted that you knew already it was bad in your second post in the thread. You posted that while you were still doing research.

he just wants attention and to feel relevant, "i have some secret information, and no you can't have it". i dont know if the autograph is good or bad, but he believes it to be bad, the onus is on him to show people, its not for the other people to just believe him because he is a member of the secret order of the water buffalo, the secret agent stuff grows old.

if it were john l sullivan or bob fitzsimmons, i would show people right away just WHY it is bad, you don't need to do any more research than comparing it to known exemplars and passing it or failing it that way.

chris can't do that because i believe there is a dearth of experts on babe ruth that really know his signature.

Rob Rosen at Heritage is baberuthautographs.com maybe he knows babe ruth, he goes with jsa and psa opinions. And if PSA rejected it, let's get some proof of that.

i never saw williams credentials on babe ruth, cy young or any vintage baseball. let's put up that resume on vintage baseball. are you consultants with any auction house, any authentication outfit? It's more than fair to ask someone for his credentials.

[Scott Garner]

I think that it would be extremely telling to compare the 1934 signed Babe Ruth ticket to other known exemplars from 1934 or very close to that time period.

Do any Babe Ruth checks, or letters (this may be wishful thinking) exist that could be used as exemplars where a date could be nailed down?

If the answer is yes, can someone please post these exemplars?
I would love to be able to do my own analysis just for grins...

Thanks!