Babe Ruth?

[David Atkatz]

More games.
(And before you comment, no, I'm not gonna play.)

[bender07]

When a Kurt Cobain thread on a primarily sports autograph forum is the most interesting one, you know we're in trouble.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

More games.
(And before you comment, no, I'm not gonna play.)

This is my concern.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...scott-auction/

My concern about the above Babe Ruth was relayed to Huggins & Scott a week ago.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

This is my concern.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...scott-auction/

My concern about the above Babe Ruth was relayed to Huggins & Scott a week ago.

what did they say? nothing? why not? ask to be their babe ruth guy.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

More games.
(And before you comment, no, I'm not gonna play.)

I didn't think you would.

Didn't you write "Nice pickup. The autograph book looks good" on the below thread.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=162167

As for my "Glass Houses" thread, it was meant for one person. I knew I'd be criticized for it. But it's what I do.

[jgmp123]

Chris,

What was Huggins response? I'd be hard pressed to believe that the stub is even real..

[travrosty]

well, if you dont like the ruth, you got sgc to blame. you know, that company with tons of autograph authentication experience, authentication and slabbing autographs for 8 dollars apiece and they won't tell you who authenticates their autographs.

Mr. Root is a member here, why don't you invite him on this thread to explain this authentication? for the record, i am not a ruth expert so i dont have an opinion on this, but i am sure he will come right on here and he can explain it to your satisfaction.

so i guess sgc autograph authentication gets instantly listed now on auction sites? nobody else can get in but sgc now joins psa and jsa because they have so much experience authenticating autographs, a whole 8 weeks now?

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by travrosty

well, if you dont like the ruth, you got sgc to blame. you know, that company with tons of autograph authentication experience, authentication and slabbing autographs for 8 dollars apiece and they won't tell you who authenticates their autographs.

Mr. Root is a member here, why don't you invite him on this thread to explain this authentication? for the record, i am not a ruth expert so i dont have an opinion on this, but i am sure he will come right on here and he can explain it to your satisfaction.

so i guess sgc autograph authentication gets instantly listed now on auction sites? nobody else can get in but sgc now joins psa and jsa because they have so much experience authenticating autographs, a whole 8 weeks now?

Travis,

In Chris' defense, the article he posted from Sports Collectors Daily mentioned nothing about the JSA letter. You have to actually go out to the Huggin's and Scott site to see that it has a JSA letter. Get all the facts before you attempt to start another one of "those" threads....

[travrosty]

michael root is a net54 member, why try to embarrass him with this thread, chris?

i have been told for years to contact the companies and personnel behind the scenes and work with them to rectify any problem. why don't you just pm or contact Root and ask him about this autograph, instead of just trying to post it here and embarrass him and smear?

now that he is not jsa anymore, he is fair game now, like global? what's the deal? Why post this autograph as a setup and then knock a man down when Root is just trying to do the best he can. You could have contacted him privately and worked with him and huggins and scott and maybe come to a conclusion instead of airing out the dirty laundry here and try to embarrass the man.

And why don't you do that to Spence or Grad? Why just SGC?

[GrayGhost]

For all the guys fighting their little personal wars on here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tCfFEMqgmQ;)

[jgmp123]

The Ruth auto has been certified by JSA and SGC. I don't know either way on the autograph itself, but the condition that stub is in raises suspicions to me.

I went to some of the NCAA games the other night and I don't think the corners on my tickets were that sharp prior to the games even starting...

[travrosty]

why pick on an sgc encapsulated item when a jsa encapsulated item wouldnt get shown here even though root worked for jsa? as soon as he jumps ship and goes to sgc, then show the sgc item and say its bad? it has jsa loa but its slabbed by sgc and thats what people see. if it was jsa alone, then it wouldnt be shown here, i guarantee it.

why isnt jsa under the same scrutiny by some? the authenticator is the same, just different company. i guess some companies get protection and can do no wrong. root got thrown under the bus now that he doesnt work for protected company east coast anymore?

i am for treating them all equally, if its bad psa, jsa , sgc so what? i have never seen chris show a bad jsa item before, and he starts with a sgc slabbed item? now that it has a jsa loa, let's break precedent and chris can now start showing bad jsa items now. it's okay, we don't mind.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

The Ruth auto has been certified by JSA and SGC. I don't know either way on the autograph itself, but the condition that stub is in raises suspicions to me.

I went to some of the NCAA games the other night and I don't think the corners on my tickets were that sharp prior to the games even starting...

Where did JSA cert that Ruth?

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Where did JSA cert that Ruth?

Go to the Huggins and Scott website and you will see the full LOA there from JSA. You can match the cert # with the JSA site and view the same picture you have posted at the beginning of this forum.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Chris,

What was Huggins response? I'd be hard pressed to believe that the stub is even real..

James and all,
Interesting...

FWIW, I would not trust this to be a real Ruth 700th HR ticket.

I personally have not seen vintage Tigers tickets that have been stamped with a date. In fact, as a baseball ticket collector of over 40 years, I will tell you that I do not recall EVER seeing a Tigers stamped date ticket prior to 1969. I have, however, seen lots of emergency tickets like the one featured in this auction with designations like Game X, Game K, etc.

I do recall seeing a genuine printed date ticket to Ruth's 700th HR. At least one exists in the hobby. As I recall it has an uneven tear at the perforation, almost appearing to have a "fang" shaped tear....

[hugginsandscott]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

James and all,
Interesting...

FWIW, I would not trust this to be a real Ruth 700th HR ticket.

I personally have not seen vintage Tigers tickets that have been stamped with a date. In fact, as a baseball ticket collector of over 40 years, I will tell you that I do not recall EVER seeing a Tigers stamped date ticket prior to 1969. I have, however, seen lots of emergency tickets like the one featured in this auction with designations like Game X, Game K, etc.

I do recall seeing a genuine printed date ticket to Ruth's 700th HR. At least one exists in the hobby. As I recall it has an uneven tear at the perforation, almost appearing to have a "fang" shaped tear....

Here is a listing of other Tigers ticket stubs. You can see there are a couple of stamp-dated 1934 Tigers ticket stubs in this lot.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by hugginsandscott

Here is a listing of other Tigers ticket stubs. You can see there are a couple of stamp-dated 1934 Tigers ticket stubs in this lot.

Hi Josh,
Thanks for posting your responses!

Very interesting...
I'm curious where the photo of all the tickets came from?
I see that it says eBay on the screen shot, but I'm intrigued how this image shows a ticket issued only one day apart (wow!) from the alleged Ruth 700 HR ticket. That's an amazing coincidence! They obviously are stamped identically, at the same angle, yet the Emergency Tickets are "A" tickets one day, and "Z" the following day- in July, no less (half way through the season)!

FWIW, about 22,000 were in attendance for Ruth's 700th HR. Did this require that the Tigers issue emergency tickets? I looked at all the surrounding games at DET on the 1934 schedule and they all appear to have similar attendance, especially with the Yankees in town. I saw attendances ranging from 20,000-26,000 during this homestand. I would also note that at least 4 games at DET prior to the NY series that featured Ruth's HR drew at least as many fans. One of the games drew 30,000 fans and the game on July 4th drew 40,000 fans for a twinbill. Would Ruth's 700th HR be Emergency ticket "Z" if it was at a minimum the 6th high attended game in DET in 1934?
I don't know, and I'm quite certain that no one knows for sure. It just seems odd to me, FWIW...

I certainly can be wrong, but I stand by my assertion that I have not seen other earlier vintage Tigers tickets stamped in this fashion prior to the screen shot that you posted.

Please note that I am not attempting to make any comments about the authenticity of the Babe Ruth signature on the ticket as this is admittedly not my expertise.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

I'm curious where the photo of all the tickets came from?

Scott,
They were sold on eBay in March 2009 for $1482 for a lot of 90 1930's Detroit Tigers tickets (seems like a pretty good deal for any Tigers fan). The photo is from Worthpoint, a subscription website that indexes old eBay listings. Here's the rest of the description, just so nobody jumps to the conclusion that this Ruth ticket was in the lot.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

James and all,
Interesting...

FWIW, I would not trust this to be a real Ruth 700th HR ticket.

I personally have not seen vintage Tigers tickets that have been stamped with a date. In fact, as a baseball ticket collector of over 40 years, I will tell you that I do not recall EVER seeing a Tigers stamped date ticket prior to 1969. I have, however, seen lots of emergency tickets like the one featured in this auction with designations like Game X, Game K, etc.

I do recall seeing a genuine printed date ticket to Ruth's 700th HR. At least one exists in the hobby. As I recall it has an uneven tear at the perforation, almost appearing to have a "fang" shaped tear....

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