Kurt cobain ot

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by Griffins

I spoke to Bob Dylan's son about this 3 years ago (our kids played little league together) and he figured about 95% of the autographs of his dad and his brother offered were fake, and that was a conservative guess. I showed him an offering from a major auction house and he just laughed, saying those were definitely fakes- even though they had some pretty solid authentication.

Great thread, I would agree most rock music icons are almost impossible, Dylan HATES to sign and is probably one of the 10 toughest living celebrities to get an autograph of.

Your post about Bob Dylan brought back memories , When boxer Hurricane Carter was in prison. Dylan did a benefit concert at Madison Square Garden called "Night of the Hurricane" which I attended , It was to raise funds for his legal defense and dozens of celebs attended including Muhammad Ali who spoke with Carter by phone , and was amplified throughout the arena.

Shortly after Hurricane Carter was released from prison I did a private signing with him in Orlando Florida , he took a plane from Canada where he was living at the time and we hung out for the weekend.
He knew Dylan personally and had some great stories. He confirmed what I already knew that Bob Dylan rarely if ever signs an autograph.
In an attempt to be sly with Carter.... I steered the conversation around to Dylan's visits to him in prison and if they exchanged letters, Carter said of course they did. I asked him if he kept the letters and he said he had. before I could even ASK the next question (You KNOW what the next question was going to be...) ...the clever Carter smiled and then started laughing..."Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy" he said "Nice try but the answer is NO !"
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[tazdmb]

How hard could Dylan be? After all, ChumLee got him pretty easily on Pawn Stars

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Great thread, I would agree most rock music icons are almost impossible, Dylan HATES to sign and is probably one of the 10 toughest living celebrities to get an autograph of.

Well, that can't be true. This guy here just happened to see Dylan walking around Vegas and got himself a signed album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZA-fkyC_18

On a serious note, this is a very cool topic. I never knew that Kurt Cobain autographs were extremely pricey, but I guess it does make sense.

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Well, that can't be true. This guy here just happened to see Dylan walking around Vegas and got himself a signed album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZA-fkyC_18

On a serious note, this is a very cool topic. I never knew that Kurt Cobain autographs were extremely pricey, but I guess it does make sense.

Lol....I guess its easier if you have your own TV show and are on camera he DID say he didn't have a pen !!! great link
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[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Lol....I guess its easier if you have your own TV show and are on camera he DID say he didn't have a pen !!! great link
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Mr. Stinson. In your earlier post, you mentioned that Dylan is probably one of the top 10 toughest living celebrites to get an autograph from. I was just curious who are some of the other living figures you would put on that list.

[prewarsports]

If you have a Cobain on something like a signed album with a ticket stub from the event and you with a polaroid of him and it all checks out, or say a legal document, or an item like a yearbook or something, be prepared to go north of $2000 and if the item is a premium piece, it would be more.

Now we are talking bands from my generation for a change (I do like Dylan though). Layne Staley from Alice in Chains is another Seattle guy whose autograph is VERY rare. He essentially disappeared from the public about the same time Kurt's death despite living for another 8 years in a Seattle apartment. All these guys autographs are so forged it is unbelievable but from that era, Cobain takes the cake as the most forged BY FAR because essentially every 30-40 year old man in America would love to have one so SOMEBODY'S gotta create the supply right!

By their nature, Rock Stars are not as available to the public unless you have backstage passes etc. They are rushed from bus - to dressing room - to the stage - and back on the bus. Bands like Nirvana HATED the commercial aspect of all this by the time they were big enough to have autograph seekers give a crap so the numbers of autographs that they actually signed during their short 3-4 years of popularity are probably MUCH smaller than we as Sports Collectors can imagine. As such I would say to stay away from all modern Rock Superstars unless there is some iron-clad provenance.

Rhys

FYI, Here is a real one with a pretty accurate (possibly even low) price with a full name. I'd have felt comfortable with this one.

http://jan12.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=41424

[GoudeyJim]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

If you have a Cobain on something like a signed album with a ticket stub from the event and you with a polaroid of him and it all checks out, or say a legal document, or an item like a yearbook or something, be prepared to go north of $2000 and if the item is a premium piece, it would be more.

Now we are talking bands from my generation for a change (I do like Dylan though). Layne Staley from Alice in Chains is another Seattle guy whose autograph is VERY rare. He essentially disappeared from the public about the same time Kurt's death despite living for another 8 years in a Seattle apartment. All these guys autographs are so forged it is unbelievable but from that era, Cobain takes the cake as the most forged BY FAR because essentially every 30-40 year old man in America would love to have one so SOMEBODY'S gotta create the supply right!

By their nature, Rock Stars are not as available to the public unless you have backstage passes etc. They are rushed from bus - to dressing room - to the stage - and back on the bus. Bands like Nirvana HATED the commercial aspect of all this by the time they were big enough to have autograph seekers give a crap so the numbers of autographs that they actually signed during their short 3-4 years of popularity are probably MUCH smaller than we as Sports Collectors can imagine. As such I would say to stay away from all modern Rock Superstars unless there is some iron-clad provenance.

Rhys

FYI, Here is a real one with a pretty accurate (possibly even low) price with a full name. I'd have felt comfortable with this one.

http://jan12.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=41424

I would love to have a Layne Staley. AIC (with Staley) are one of my favorite bands of all time. He was a tremendous singer and writer. His is a sad tale.

Jim

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Mr. Stinson. In your earlier post, you mentioned that Dylan is probably one of the top 10 toughest living celebrites to get an autograph from. I was just curious who are some of the other living figures you would put on that list.

Good question , I'll probably miss someone but most likely some of the toughest living autographs would be (I'm not including names that maybe only one or two hard core collectors would want)

FIDEL CASTRO
NELSON MANDELA
QUEEN ELIZABETH
HARPER LEE (author...To Kill A Mockingbird)
PAUL McCARTNEY
BOB DYLAN
MADONNA
PRINCE
KEVIN COSTNER
HARRISON FORD
SEAN CONNERY
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[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Good question , I'll probably miss someone but most likely some of the toughest living autographs would be (I'm not including names that maybe only one or two hard core collectors would want)

FIDEL CASTRO
NELSON MANDELA
QUEEN ELIZABETH
HARPER LEE (author...To Kill A Mockingbird)
PAUL McCARTNEY
BOB DYLAN
MADONNA
PRINCE
KEVIN COSTNER
HARRISON FORD
SEAN CONNERY
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Thanks for the answer. I was just really curious. I actually never knew Madonna was so tough, I can imagine that people lke Castro, Mandela and the Queen are pretty impossible. You would probably need a source at Coaches' Corner to get any of them on a baseball.

[JimStinson]

Strike Kevin Costner from the list as rumor has it he's lightened up in recent years ....but absolutely add CHUCK BERRY , I've seen Berry twice once at the Vegas airport and once in St Louis , both times he was alone and both times no one recognized him. I sat 2 seats away in the St Louis airport and started to turn to strike up a conversation as soon as he realized I recognized him he gave me this LOOK !......scared hell out of me.
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[milkit1]

I saw a guy follow dylan about 1000 feet from a venue to the tour bus, just the two of them with him pleading to sign his album. Dylan just looked straight ahead. I guess after fifty years of not signing you acquire the "thousand yard stare"!

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Good question , I'll probably miss someone but most likely some of the toughest living autographs would be (I'm not including names that maybe only one or two hard core collectors would want)

FIDEL CASTRO
NELSON MANDELA
QUEEN ELIZABETH
HARPER LEE (author...To Kill A Mockingbird)
PAUL McCARTNEY
BOB DYLAN
MADONNA
PRINCE
KEVIN COSTNER
HARRISON FORD
SEAN CONNERY
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I've actually heard of people having decent luck with Ford. And there always seems to be plenty of authetic stuff from him available.

I heard cartoonists Bill Waterson (Calvin & Hobbes) and Gary Larson (The Far Side) are extremely difficult.

[byrone]

PAUL McCARTNEY

He visited my hometown a few years ago (with now ex-wife Heather) when they were protesting the seal hunt (that's another story). I know that at the time he was quite approachable and signed without any problems. A friend of mine served him at Tim Horton's (Canada's coffee supplier) and McCartney just grabbed a seat and hung out for a while. Where I live is a laid-back kind of place, and celebrities are often more at ease around us Canadian east-coasters.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by dgo71

I've actually heard of people having decent luck with Ford. And there always seems to be plenty of authetic stuff from him available.

I heard cartoonists Bill Waterson (Calvin & Hobbes) and Gary Larson (The Far Side) are extremely difficult.

Ford does private signings for Official Pix once a year. Not cheap, but available.

I got Harper Lee TTM twice, but she now refuses all requests for the past 10 years or so.

Mandela used to sign TTM regularly.

Apollo 8 astronaut Bill Anders has been impossible for decades. When he rarely signs, he often intentionally signs differently or super sloppy or bends the photo just to mess with collectors.