April 13, the day autographs stand still !!!!

[toybulldog]

If I went on the card side and posted day after about how annoyed I am that X card got X grade people would be telling me to give it a rest too. And they would be in the right to do so. Add in some personal attacks on the people behind the companies. It would never play over there. Why should it be different over here.

Then they should use the bozo filter on you, problem solved once again.

As far as attacks on the people behind the companies, the people behind the companies make their own attacks on other peoples autographs on a daily basis and do so with no evidence, proof or explanation while hiding behind their curtain. If someone chooses to attack back in the open in a forum with evidence, proof and explanation then that is something they can blame on themselves.

Seems like some of the boxing guys aren't one to fall into place and feed into all the bullsh*t like so many others. Tone it down or turn it up? I choose the latter.

[cubsfan-budman]

I really don't understand why Travis isn't one of the more respected guys on this board. He has a somewhat acidic tone, but in essence, he's correct in his indictments.

I mean, only a couple threads from here, MANY Net45'ers were jumping on a guy for leveraging the ABCs to attempt to sell a (mostly) outed fake.

I think two things are happening here:

1. People are turned off by Travis' tone and persistence
2. People actually enjoy his posts because they continue to not ignore him

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

I really don't understand why Travis isn't one of the more respected guys on this board. He has a somewhat acidic tone, but in essence, he's correct in his indictments.

I mean, only a couple threads from here, MANY Net45'ers were jumping on a guy for leveraging the ABCs to attempt to sell a (mostly) outed fake.

I think two things are happening here:

1. People are turned off by Travis' tone and persistence
2. People actually enjoy his posts because they continue to not ignore him

It's not for what he posts about PSA & JSA...those things are warranted, helpful, mostly true and appreciated by most. I like that he is passionate about it. It just chafes my fat fanny that he can endorse with his silence and weak analogies an obvious smear campaign on a a ONE WAY BASHING website about another contributor here with a different viewpoint. It's grotesque and weak.

We fight forgeries here. That's what we do...All kinds of forgeries. Blinders Boy and his pals have taken it to another level and it's just very disheartening for the contributors here, IMHO.

[packs]

Originally Posted by toybulldog

Then they should use the bozo filter on you, problem solved once again.

As far as attacks on the people behind the companies, the people behind the companies make their own attacks on other peoples autographs on a daily basis and do so with no evidence, proof or explanation while hiding behind their curtain. If someone chooses to attack back in the open in a forum with evidence, proof and explanation then that is something they can blame on themselves.

Seems like some of the boxing guys aren't one to fall into place and feed into all the bullsh*t like so many others. Tone it down or turn it up? I choose the latter.

I have nothing against what you're saying. But it seems like you are being contrarian about all this. Why can't the person acknowledge their behavior and at least attempt to make a change in it?

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by packs

I have nothing against what you're saying. But it seems like you are being contrarian about all this. When does someone have a right to complain about another person's behavior? Is the answer always to just ignore it? Why can't the person acknowledge their behavior and at least attempt to make a change in it? Reading your posts it seems like you're suggesting the people complaining are the only ones with a problem and they should be quiet about it.

More or less what I was contemplating how to say, but if I may expand upon it:

I don't think it's so much that people have a problem with what Travis posts. It's clear that he has an agenda, and if you refresh the screen a couple of times, he has probably posted again explaining his agenda with another string of analogies. The thing that ticks me and many others off is the constant thrusting of that agenda/rant into every single topic he stumbles into, whether his post is actually related to the discussion at hand or not. And then when anyone suggests, "Hey, chill, nobody's talking about TPA's here," rather than accepting the suggestion that what he just posted is out of place in this thread and should be taken elsewhere or to a new thread, he takes it as a sign that everyone's trying to shut him up because he's onto something big or they feel threatened by him or they have an agenda that conflicts with his own, etc., and starts typing all the more fervently. Maybe I've overlooked it, but I can't recall a single time where someone has said, "Hey, that's out of place here, take it to another thread," and Travis has done so. It's like I tell my boys, "When we tell you to be quiet, it's because the adults are having a conversation, not because we don't like kids." Travis has been asked repeatedly to take his TPA-bashing rants to either a new thread or at least to other threads already discussing TPA's, and he consistently insists on ignoring the requests and continues thrusting his agenda into the same unrelated conversations.

Bottom line for me is, while I wouldn't advocate booting Travis from the board, I do wish there was a way to boot him from individual threads when he busts in with unrelated ranting. Absent that, I wish that Travis could take a hint, a suggestion, or a sincere direct request to heart without twisting it into an anti-Travis/pro-TPA conspiracy.

And yes, the irony of my post here appearing in a thread that Travis started to bash TPA's does not escape me.

Lance F!ttro

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by packs

I have nothing against what you're saying. But it seems like you are being contrarian about all this. Why can't the person acknowledge their behavior and at least attempt to make a change in it?

Is there a reason that "packs" can talk an unbelievable amount of crap and not have to attach his name to his posts?

[packs]

I'm not talking crap on anyone. I'm venting my frustration about threads like this one. I haven't mentioned anyone by name and I haven't passed a judgement or insulted anyone.