1887 Old Judge survival rates???

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

It'd be quite foolish to put a whole lot of credence into pop reports...or to assume what cards u/we see...is all there are. Aside from the fact they are not accurate...there are a ton of ungraded cards out there.

I cringe at pop reports on pre-war cards. And I think my estimates above are quite realistic, if not low. I also don't think the values or prices will come down, even with new finds, unless there are great hoards (Black Swamp etc...) of a certain type card found. A hundred thousand T206s would be eaten up quickly..... I also think there are more collectors than we think there are....

[Zone91]

Leon

I am OK with either way this could go....I am just collecting for fun and fun I am having with these cards. So much to learn and that is perfect by me!!!

I appreciate your input!!!

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Leon

I cringe at pop reports on pre-war cards. And I think my estimates above are quite realistic, if not low. I also don't think the values or prices will come down, even with new finds, unless there are great hoards (Black Swamp etc...) of a certain type card found. A hundred thousand T206s would be eaten up quickly..... I also think there are more collectors than we think there are....

That last sentence got me wondering Leon. Maybe a post, with your approval of course, asking how many people collect certain things that they don't go to message boards for. I have a modest coin collection and two antique cars now(about ten others at some point in the past), but haven't visited a forum on either in years(coins never). Just wondering how many people collect something popular, but never talk about it.

I've visited this site and prior forms of it, since back in the fullcount day, and for the most part, it has been daily. For some reasons, other things I collect, I don't talk about with others. Could be cards have much more of a background, with stories attached(aka stats) than coins or cars do.

I would think if you get a high response to it with people who don't visit other forums, it would show just how many people might collect old cards but never venture over here. Especially if it is coming from people who collect and post here.

Someone feel free to make a post if that sounds interesting. If it isn't that interesting, just means I have too much free time to think about strange things

[Leon]

Originally Posted by z28jd

That last sentence got me wondering Leon. Maybe a post, with your approval of course, asking how many people collect certain things that they don't go to message boards for. I have a modest coin collection and two antique cars now(about ten others at some point in the past), but haven't visited a forum on either in years(coins never). Just wondering how many people collect something popular, but never talk about it.

I've visited this site and prior forms of it, since back in the fullcount day, and for the most part, it has been daily. For some reasons, other things I collect, I don't talk about with others. Could be cards have much more of a background, with stories attached(aka stats) than coins or cars do.

I would think if you get a high response to it with people who don't visit other forums, it would show just how many people might collect old cards but never venture over here. Especially if it is coming from people who collect and post here.

Someone feel free to make a post if that sounds interesting. If it isn't that interesting, just means I have too much free time to think about strange things

Go for whatcha know John. It is amazing how many people in the US still don't have a computer or internet access. I don't know the percentage but it's quite a few. We probably both have too much free time.

[autograf]

One thing to reiterate is all the non-grading collectors of Old Judge out there that there are. I know there are a handful of people with over 1000 poses (each) or more who aren't huge graders of their cards. I think it's the issue, the fact that they arent selling them right now, and other factors that keep all those out of the pop report.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by autograf

One thing to reiterate is all the non-grading collectors of Old Judge out there that there are. I know there are a handful of people with over 1000 poses (each) or more who aren't huge graders of their cards. I think it's the issue, the fact that they arent selling them right now, and other factors that keep all those out of the pop report.

I think it is a big number too, but as cards switch hands, there is a more likely chance they will get graded. Most of the time, once they get graded, they stay graded. So eventually the pop reports will mean a lot more than they do now. As long as grading stays around, the % of ungraded pre-war cards will continue to diminish(even if big discoveries are made).

I personally have over 1000 pre-war cards, a good % of them raw and I have never sent anything to be graded. There are some things I have though, that I might eventually sell and I'd get them graded first.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Leon

I also don't think the values or prices will come down, even with new finds, unless there are great hoards (Black Swamp etc...) of a certain type card found. A hundred thousand T206s would be eaten up quickly..... I also think there are more collectors than we think there are....

Yup. and 100,000 T206s would come out in drips and drabs, not unleashed all at once (like the Black Swamp), and so price drops would be barely noticed. I do wish that 100,000 pre 1900 would show up at once, as they are starting to fascinate me