1961 topps with green inside baseball

[savedfrommyspokes]

Thanks Al, found yet another 447, this one does not have so much green

[steve B]

Well that's interesting. And I think I might be wrong on this one. I've at least mentally refiled it under "needs more study"

It might be overinking after all. The 447s look overinked, especially the last one. The first one the ink at the top and bottom that makes the arcs looks very odd for overinking but the rest looks it.

So maybe the others are too.

And you guys made me look at all my 61s to see if I had any. Nothing solid, but I did see some interesting things. And had a couple ideas.

On some cards you can see the green under the black. Not easily but if the black is light and the green stronger it's there. in the picture with the three 492s showing the numbers up close it's visible especially on the left card. On that one it comes almost up to the birthdate line.

On other cards it doesn't go that high. Some it's barely covered by the black.

There's a cutout in the green where the number circle is.

I have a couple cards that are a bit out of register that show the edge of the cutout. Nothing special, just off register enough that the green shows.

And a couple that have some little bit of a mark in the ball. One is obviously overinked, the green is ragged on both narrow ends of the card. But the ball area is a nice smooth curve just like the out of register ones.

Another thing that I realized looking at the card and considering it is that the cutout area for the ball is a small space taken on its own.
The process works by the plate holding water to reject the oily ink from the parts that shouldn't print. And a small bit off the edge of a larger area is prone to uneven drying. And a slightly dry spot on the plate will print.

So I'm thinking there's a combination of things- Overinked, bad registration, and dry plates. And just maybe a few Fairlys with an actual variation.

Of course, now I have to check my extras to see if there are any where the green extends both far under the black and just a little. If there are that gives me a whole new bunch of stuff to look for.

Steve B

[ALR-bishop]

This thread should come with a warning that it may cost you some lost time and your sanity

[steve B]

Sanity left years ago.

[GoldenAge50s]

I have a small run of '61's from 320 thru 370 & I just had to look! All are very clean & NONE have even a hint of green in the ball.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

This thread should come with a warning that it may cost you some lost time and your sanity

I was going to post this in it's own thread since the situation has happened to all of us, but it's this damn thread that started it.

I read the thread last night and think, Gee. I didn't know this. I wonder if I have any? It's about 12:30am. Out comes a 4-row 18-inch-deep card box, which is jammed with cards, about 150 of which are 61T. This should be a snap. All the cards are either in a sleeve or a sleeve within a toploader. Slippery little bastards. I'm on the edge of my bed, pulling out a handful each time and thumbing through. Yet, each time one or two cards squirts out. Finally finished, I go to put the lid back on and BOOM, the box starts to fall off the bed and I reach over to grab it. There was that one second that seems like an eternity where I saw the future, and it wasn't pretty. The box was falling Upside down so the cards got a good headstart before they hit the nicely waxed slick hardwood floor, and then the box fell on top of them. There, on the floor, was a 3x3 square foot pile of cards that looked like 5 drunken card trick people had tried to fan them -- they needed more practice.
I tired to pick some up that were still spread in order but between the plastic and the floor it was like a greased Rosanne Barr on a Slip'n Slide. Two hours later, 2:30am, they were back in the box. Even then, I had only put them in order by sections of one hundred still not in numerical order. That job is for the future. The irony is that I found not a one of those stupid little baseballs with any green ink in it. This makes a strong case for binders.

[ALR-bishop]

LOL-- now I feel better

[zachclose21]

On Friday i email psa about the bob turley with the green inside the baseball and asked them if they would grade it the same as they would the Ron fairly. This was the response
Psa said
We have not graded one before so we do not have this variation listed. If this is recognized by the manufacturer as part of the set and is listed in the catalog then we will also recognize this and add this to the system. If you do decide to submit this then please make sure to attach a copy of the page from the SCD catalog that specifies this as a variety otherwise PSA will not recognize this.

[4reals]

Amazing how much power SCD has. Some of those cards turn into big dollar items if you can get in the right person's ear.

Too much ambiguity in these print variations for me.

Speaking as a Dodgers collector, there's no way I'm forking over $200 for clean Fairly example. NO WAY! I wouldn't even pay $50.

[ALR-bishop]

There is a thread on CU in the PSA forum about getting PSA recognition of a variation in SCD. Since Bob Lemke retired, the path is not clear. I do not think Bob would have recognized the Fairly as a variation. Although he posts here and may disagree. And the Fairly, while it is in the PSA master list, is not in SCD. So they are being inconsistent and appear to be closing the barn door.

In the CU thread a couple of folks have said they have had successful discussions with the new SCD editor, Tom Bartsch, about getting recognition of new variations. I don't know if that means there will be an update to the Standard Catalog or not, either in print or on line. Otherwise I am not sure how any new recognition gets published in the hobby for PSA, or us non graded master set collectors. Will have to check the CU thread for any updates