Derek Jeter will break Pete Rose's Hit Record

[CMIZ5290]

Interesting we're talking about Yankees. Wouldn't it be curious to think how many homeruns Mantle would have hit if not for nagging injuries and extra activities not related to the game?

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Interesting we're talking about Yankees. Wouldn't it be curious to think how many homeruns Mantle would have hit if not for nagging injuries and extra activities not related to the game?

Or how many homeruns would Ruth have if he actually was in shape!

[springpin]

I said Wagner and I meant Speaker. It will take another six years to do it. Rose played until he was 44. Jeter is 38. It could happen, and I hope so.

[ctownboy]

I don't think Jeter will make it.

Currently he is 952 Hits away from tying Rose for the All Time record. He would have to average 159 Hits each of the next six years to tie Rose.

If you look at the All Time Hit leaders, a lot of them performed well in their late 30's but they seem to have hit a wall at 40.

Jeter suffered an ankle injury last Fall and he may or may not start the season on the DL because he is still recovering from that injury.

If Jeter were to get 180 Hits in each of the next two years then he would need to only average 148 Hits the next four years. Problem is, Father Time hits ALL players at some point.

If Jeter misses time at the start of this year and then starts having nagging injuries which either keeps him out of the line up because he is on the DL or his Manager keeps him out of some Games just to give him some rest then it is likely he wont get 180 the next two years or average 148 the following four years.

It is also entirely possible that the Yankees decline to a point where continuing to play through injuries and rehab just isn't worth it to Jeter.

David

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

I don't think Jeter will make it.

Currently he is 952 Hits away from tying Rose for the All Time record. He would have to average 159 Hits each of the next six years to tie Rose.

If you look at the All Time Hit leaders, a lot of them performed well in their late 30's but they seem to have hit a wall at 40.

Jeter suffered an ankle injury last Fall and he may or may not start the season on the DL because he is still recovering from that injury.

If Jeter were to get 180 Hits in each of the next two years then he would need to only average 148 Hits the next four years. Problem is, Father Time hits ALL players at some point.

If Jeter misses time at the start of this year and then starts having nagging injuries which either keeps him out of the line up because he is on the DL or his Manager keeps him out of some Games just to give him some rest then it is likely he wont get 180 the next two years or average 148 the following four years.

It is also entirely possible that the Yankees decline to a point where continuing to play through injuries and rehab just isn't worth it to Jeter.

David

If he was around 3800 now, id say hed have a SHOT...you have to remember, Rose was getting 200, 200, 200, 200, 200, 200....with NO down years...Roses prime vs Jeter prime isnt comparable... Id be shocked in 3 years, if Jeter is 1. still playing, and if so, he gets more than 120 hits that year

[howard38]

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[mattsey9]

A current Yankee will break Rose's record, but not Jeter. (At least not first)

Ichiro has 3,884 career hits counting his NPB career. Should he match his 2012 total of 178 hits in each of his next two seasons, that would give him 4,240 for his career. He'd easily break Rose's career mark if he can stay healthy for three more seasons.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by mattsey9

A current Yankee will break Rose's record, but not Jeter. (At least not first)

Ichiro has 3,884 career hits counting his NPB career. Should he match his 2012 total of 178 hits in each of his next two seasons, that would give him 4,240 for his career. He'd easily break Rose's career mark if he can stay healthy for three more seasons.

It's hard to equate hits in Japan to MLB hits when Matt Murton holds the single season hits record over there.

I would have to include the 427 hits Pete Rose had in the minors, if we are going to include records in lesser leagues

Jeter is not getting the record. As someone mentioned above, he willy likely start the year on the DL and they aren't going to play him every single day once he gets back, plus he will be 39 this season. If the Yankees are bad, and he struggles with his health, this could be the end of the line for him. He needed a cortisone shot today, so that is always a concern

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by z28jd

It's hard to equate hits in Japan to MLB hits when Matt Murton holds the single season hits record over there.

Thank you voice of reason! Japan is upper AA-to-AAA caliber at best. Everyone not named Ichiro who has come over has been pretty bad. Nomo and Kuroda have had some success but nothing of "superstar" caliber. For every Ichiro there are 20 Tsuyoshi Nishiokas...and there's a reason for that.

[E93]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Interesting we're talking about Yankees. Wouldn't it be curious to think how many homeruns Mantle would have hit if not for nagging injuries and extra activities not related to the game?

"I'd be rich and famous if I weren't unknown and poor."
Tom Russell

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by E93

"I'd be rich and famous if I weren't unknown and poor."
Tom Russell

"If my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle"

[BBSD]

He'll break it playing for the Astros.

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Interesting we're talking about Yankees. Wouldn't it be curious to think how many homeruns Mantle would have hit if not for nagging injuries and extra activities not related to the game?

"If ifs and buts were candied nuts what a wonderful Christmas it would be"!!!

However, if we play that game then a few of the biggest factors with regard to Mantle not achieving his obvious potential, in my opinion, would be: 1) the penicillin injections (every day, every 3 hrs for 2 weeks) in an attempt to arrest a football-related injury that resulted in osteomyelitis (1946), 2) the early death of his father (1952 ) and 3) the knee injury in the '51 WS.

Before the injury to his left shin in an early season football practice session, Mickey or "Little Mickey" as he was known then weighed around 125 pounds soaking wet. After he left the hospital in the fall of 1946 he had lost over 30 pounds and his body was covered in boils - a combination of the prolonged infection and treatment. Photos from 1947 depict a remarkable transformation, Mickey was now well over 160 pounds - all of the new weight pure muscle. One potential consequence of this hypertrophy (perhaps induced by the unusual concentration and length of the penicillin treatments) might be that his ligament and tendon development simply did not match his muscular growth and could, in part, explain the unending series of injuries that defined his career.

The early death of his father also had a very profound effect on Mickey. Mickey loved, respected and feared his Dad. There is no question in my mind had his father lived and was around for Mickey through most of his playing days that many of the distractions and much of the bad behavior (drinking, womanizing and not taking care of himself) would have been greatly curtailed.

And finally, the knee injury in the 1951 WS - which was simply the start of a series of crippling injuries that robbed us from witnessing some of Mickey's greatest physical attributes.

So, I've fallen in the trap of "ifs and buts" in an attempt to offer some possible explanations for one player's (my childhood hero) shortcomings. Of course, all of us are ultimately responsible for our lives and for how we respond to each and every situation.

But I always wonder 'what could have been". What would the final numbers have been if that baby-faced Rookie with that magnificent body who went from the right-side of the plate to 1ST in 3.1 sec and from the left-side of the plate in 2.9 sec, who consistently hit the longest HRs ever recorded as easily left-handed as he did right-handed and who could beat out a drag bunt by several yards had not suffered all those injuries, had not been so distracted by women and alcohol and had taken better care of himself.

In my opinion, a healthy, focused and more mature Mantle might have been the greatest ballplayer ever. But then again, we are all who we are and therein lies the problem with the "if and but" game.