Opinion on Ruth 1 of 1 Cut-Auto Card??

[Mr. Zipper]

The auction is now showing an image of a JSA letter. The JSA letter appears to be a counterfeit.

[Westsiders]

The actual # on the cert is good...meaning that a cert containing that number exists (verified on the JSA website). However, there is no photo of the cut auto (with that cert #) on the JSA website (not sure if that's common).

If that's the case, then it would be easy for someone to use that cert # fraudulently.

[GrayGhost]

The letter prob is a fake. There is NO CHANCE in HE double L that is a good Ruth Cut. ZERO

[Westsiders]

To play devil's advocate...

Assuming that the JSA cert is indeed a fake...then the forger did a pretty good job on the letter itself.

Would someone take the time to produce a well made cert, then turn-around and try to pass off such a bad looking Ruth as legit? (And in my opinion, the auto is awful....if Ruth signed it, he must have done it with his off-hand).

And if this auto is actually certified...then I'm more confused than ever

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

Would someone take the time to produce a well made cert, then turn-around and try to pass off such a bad looking Ruth as legit?

yes

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Leon

yes

+1

Two skill sets are required to do a fake cert and a fake Ruth sig.
One can be done with some ease on a computer.
The other does require some ability.
Having one skill does not mean that the forger has the other skill.
And this forger obviously does not have any forging skill.
The guys I know of who forge are laughing at this one

[packs]

It's interesting that the bottom of the cert is cut out of the auction photo. On the bottom of real JSA letters there is a JSA sticker with a matching cert number. It would be on the letter directly below where the photo is cut off.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

To play devil's advocate...

Assuming that the JSA cert is indeed a fake...then the forger did a pretty good job on the letter itself.

Would someone take the time to produce a well made cert, then turn-around and try to pass off such a bad looking Ruth as legit?

The letter is not that deceptive. Issues are apparent even in the small scan. I suspect in-hand it would be obvious to most everyone except the person at Leaf who assembled the card.

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

To play devil's advocate...

Assuming that the JSA cert is indeed a fake...then the forger did a pretty good job on the letter itself.

Would someone take the time to produce a well made cert, then turn-around and try to pass off such a bad looking Ruth as legit? (And in my opinion, the auto is awful....if Ruth signed it, he must have done it with his off-hand).

And if this auto is actually certified...then I'm more confused than ever

If the autograph itself is not pictured in the registry and most are not , it would simply say something like "Babe Ruth Cut" when the number is keyed in. Which means the original letter could be used with ANY Babe Ruth cut unless the signature is pictured on the letter.
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[RichardSimon]

I wrote to the seller hours ago asking for a better copy of the COA.
Tick,,tick,,tick,, still waiting for that.
The sig looks like it was signed on a cut from a brown paper bag.

[RichardSimon]

An EMR report has been sent to ebay on this crap. Let us see if they do anything.

[sportscollector]

I posted this one in another thread about a month ago. I never bought it but it show's a authentic Ruth signature. If you compare the 2 its night and day diffrence