The "Exclusive 12" of the T205 set

[Ronnie73]

Ted, I always enjoy your thoughts and questions. They always make us think. My thought is that the minor league cards are not a part of the T205 set but a part of the total of T205's. I know this sounds crazy but putting it out there for positive and negative criticism. I think the T205 set that we know of could be T205-1 since they mention the 1910 season and the minor league cards T205-2 and the remainder of the 400 designs maybe a combination of the T205-2 or maybe a T205-3 subset. I find it odd that the minor league cards mention the 1911 season as if it already passed. Kinda like the cards were issued late in the year of 1911 or early 1912. Maybe there were plans for the rest of the 400 designs when something happened and the rest of the 400 (T205-3) were called off. This is just a thought of mine. I just have a hard time believing that the 400 designs is the total of T205's, T80's and the gold border birds series. What does everyone else think? Be easy on me

[Ease]

I do believe the same artist did the fronts for the T43 birds, T80s, and minor league T205s, but the backs on the military series are all "more T206-like" than similar to T205s. Cairo, Uzit, Old Mill, Tolstoi, all brands we don't see in T205. The minor league T205ers have the same style backs as the T205s we know and love. I think the minor leaguers were printed at the same time as the other major league guys, whenever that was. Ron, I dunno man

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Ease

I do believe the same artist did the fronts for the T43 birds, T80s, and minor league T205s, but the backs on the military series are all "more T206-like" than similar to T205s. Cairo, Uzit, Old Mill, Tolstoi, all brands we don't see in T205. The minor league T205ers have the same style backs as the T205s we know and love. I think the minor leaguers were printed at the same time as the other major league guys, whenever that was. Ron, I dunno man

We have to remember the ATC break up may have caused this difference.

[peterb69]

Jimmy Collins card mentions he retired early 1911 so I also would assume the backs we created late 1911 or very early 1912.

[peterb69]

Also, Ted, that is a very nice Jimmy Collins card. He is my favorite card in the set. Is that auto real? If so then Jimmy had nice pensmenship.

[tedzan]

The guy I acquired this Jimmy Collins card from said he did not think it was an authentic autograph.

Perhaps, someone on this forum has an original Collins autograph that we can compare with ?


Thanks,

TED Z

[Ease]

Ted, here's a piece on Collins autograph style.

[Wite3]

Ted and Ron,
I have mentioned this before but a little research into the backs of the minor leaguers pretty much proves that they were issued later in the set. Most probably in early 1912...Hick Cady was sold to the Red Sox in January of 1912 and it makes mention of this on his t205 card. Not to mention that many of the cards reference happenings towards the end of the 1911 season (Dunn talks about early August 1911 and Frick being sent to Troy which happened late in the season....he only played about 40 games with Troy).

I have a feeling the fronts were created first but the back type was created later. Thus the mention of some of the team changes, stats, etc. from later in 1911/early 1912.

There are also some other oddities about the teams mentioned on some of the backs of the MLers but they escape me at the moment.

Joshua

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

This is just a thought of mine. I just have a hard time believing that the 400 designs is the total of T205's, T80's and the gold border birds series. What does everyone else think? Be easy on me

Ron I concur. About 2 yrs ago I wrote about the t80 and bird series equaling 400 if we use the front only variations. I have some thoughts on the 12 minor leaguers but its met with resistance. I can say the numbers are uncanny but its just my opinion.