Valuing Authentic Cards vs. PSA/SGC Poor 10/1

[Tyler]

I have never let the "A" designation bother me. It has allowed me to purchase original vintage cards, with wonderful eye appeal, at a tremendously discounted price.
I have definitely paid a premium over a beater "1" or "2". But I personally would rather have these. I understand both sides... to each his own.

[steve B]

That's one of the reasons I wish they'd put the reason on the flip. Many that get the A grade are trimmed or altered, but some are just cards that are undersize or have unusual cuts. When I get those back they have the reason on the grading slip, and online it shows the rejection code so why not put it on the flip? there's plenty of room for a rejection code.

I understand why they won't grade them. Too many people would see an undersize card and instantly think trimmed. So it's not worth putting it out there with a grade. But Something like A (MS) for a factory cut but undersize card shouldn't be all that hard.

Going just by looks, many of the A cards look great. And if that's what someone collects that's not so bad. I have a couple that I won't bother to upgrade that were rejected as miscut or too small. And another that's trimmed that's a really great looking card. It's hard to justify buying a less attractive card that's even VG.

Steve B

[DICKTOWLE]

[QUOTE=steve B;1104831]That's one of the reasons I wish they'd put the reason on the flip. Many that get the A grade are trimmed or altered, but some are just cards that are undersize or have unusual cuts. When I get those back they have the reason on the grading slip, and online it shows the rejection code so why not put it on the flip? there's plenty of room for a rejection code.

I understand why they won't grade them. Too many people would see an undersize card and instantly think trimmed. So it's not worth putting it out there with a grade. But Something like A (MS) for a factory cut but undersize card shouldn't be all that hard.

Going just by looks, many of the A cards look great. And if that's what someone collects that's not so bad. I have a couple that I won't bother to upgrade that were rejected as miscut or too small. And another that's trimmed that's a really great looking card. It's hard to justify buying a less attractive card that's even VG.

I agree with Steve, when you look at Goodwin's auction, there is a large group of Kottons- the cobb blank back is a monster graded A because it would have been cut as a test card?- the others graded A- non blank backs appear to have different cuts on the card, this appears these were cut this way- there is a group of monsters cards in the group- someone will be happy to own these A or not

[Fred]

I always take the opportunity to give my 2 cents on the topic of AUTH vs numerically graded cards.

I would gladly take an AUTH graded card over a numerically graded "1" or "2" card if it presents nicely and I can get a deep discount on it.

Now my rant and rave over TPGs and hand cut cards. I don't understand how TPGs can grade a hand cut card with anything but an AUTH grade. Also, how can a TPG provide a numerical grade to a card that had a coupon cut off? For example, Zeenuts. If the tab is missing then it was cut off, it is NOT a complete card that was mass distributed, it was ALTERED. Why can't the TPGs understand this.

[Exhibitman]

I view the "A" and the "1" about the same. I usually crack out any card I get in an "A" or "1" holder and store it raw instead. Whether one is worth more depends on the card. I've seen some fugly "1s", just beat all to hell, and some beautiful "A" cards with a corner gone or a punch hole.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

[QUOTE=Fred;1105681] I don't understand how TPGs can grade a hand cut card with anything but an AUTH grade. QUOTE]

Me either.

[g_vezina_c55]

Like i said in the past i prefer a creased graded 1 card over a altered card ...

Same for Car collecting.. i prefer a survivor car with some paint defect, scratch etc over a full 100% restored trailer queen car....

Same things in comic book collecting.... In comic book when a book is altered or restored the color of the label change blue to purple... and the detail of the restoration is on the label and the comic have a numerical restored grade.... and in this case too i prefer a 100% original item with defaut over a restored item.

For me AUTH is under psa 1 or sgc 10.
My humble opinion.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Depends on the card. My pride and joy (pictured below - because I show it off whenever I get a chance) was graded authentic because it was a handcut stripcard and doesn't have enough of the borders.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

Like i said in the past i prefer a creased graded 1 card over a altered card ...

Same for Car collecting.. i prefer a survivor car with some paint defect, scratch etc over a full 100% restored trailer queen car....

Same things in comic book collecting.... In comic book when a book is altered or restored the color of the label change blue to purple... and the detail of the restoration is on the label and the comic have a numerical restored grade.... and in this case too i prefer a 100% original item with defaut over a restored item.

For me AUTH is under psa 1 or sgc 10.
My humble opinion.

I get ya Nelson... However, I'm Certain that "The Gretzky Wagner" iS Probably the ExceptionN to Your "Authentic" Rule...

[OldEnglishD]

Question:

If I submit a card to say, SGC, and it turns out it is altered, does it get slabbed into an 'Authentic' holder, or do I have to state 'Authentic' as an acceptable grade with the submission?

My understanding is that if you submit for a grade, and it turns out the card it trimmed, colored, etc... they do NOT slab the card.

Thanks for the clarification, Dave

[packs]

I think you have to explicitly mark off a section on the form that says you want the card slabbed authentic if it cannot receive a number grade. Otherwise they will not slab it.

[Bigb13]

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I've never seen an altered qualifier on a card graded authentic by SGC, is that something new? In that same vein, on newly slabbed SGC cards (since the new flip let's say) can one now assume that a card grade authentic, with no altered qualifier, is indeed not altered? It's weird that they would specifically mention it on some flips and not on others when assigning the grade authentic.