Ebay delibrately leaving bad items on the board - they need the $$$

[Fuddjcal]

slanted schmanted.....I will not buy or sell anything on e-bay...ANYTHING PERIOD, if this is in fact happening. I'm sure missing 1 customer won't hurt them but they will be no better than the current selling platforms that are infected with 99% fakes IMHO and I'm not going to feed companies that sell fake autographs. If that's happening, tyou know they are selling fake high end purses, fake watches, fake gold , f that. I'm out. Good luck e-bay, it was nice knowing you.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

slanted schmanted.....I will not buy or sell anything on e-bay...ANYTHING PERIOD, if this is in fact happening. I'm sure missing 1 customer won't hurt them but they will be no better than the current selling platforms that are infected with 99% fakes IMHO and I'm not going to feed companies that sell fake autographs. If that's happening, tyou know they are selling fake high end purses, fake watches, fake gold , f that. I'm out. Good luck e-bay, it was nice knowing you.

Sorry, but EBAY doesn't sell anything.

It is comprised of individual sellers, each with their own specific reputation or lack of reputation they can hang their hat on. It's not hard to narrow down the items of a specific seller you trust, from all the other nonsense you find on Ebay doing a general search.

That's kind of like opening up an issue of SCD 25 years ago, and telling yourself I'm not going to buy anything from Richard Simon, because Coach's Corner also advertises in SCD.

[mighty bombjack]

This seems to make sense for eBay. It may not solely be a matter of letting everything go through so profits go up, but it could be them throwing their hands up at frustration with their accepted LOAs. Can you imagine the winding paths of truth, opinion, and politics that a fraud protection staffer at ebay must wander when dealing with autographs? I'd bet it makes the squabbles on this board look like afternoon tea. Further, remember the post about someone at eBay allegedly saying that the big alphabets sucked? Well, the natural progression of that Travis-esque frustration is to let everything go through and let the buyer beware.

They certainly won't start paying in-house people to authenticate and take down fakes, as that would cut into profits two ways.

So here we are.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

They certainly won't start paying in-house people to authenticate and take down fakes, as that would cut into profits two ways.

Now that I certainly agree with. From what I understand, none of the EMR's were ever paid one cent by eBay, nor does eBay pay any of the other watchdogs for counterfeit items (Gucci, Prada, unlicensed KISS merchandise, bootleg Disney DVDs, etc etc). The difference is, those other companies have their own in-house experts who find and report the fakes directly to eBay to protect their own "brands". It's one thing for a company or individual to say, "We didn't produce or authorize that," and something else for a third party to say, "As a concerned citizen, I don't think that was produced by them."

It's hard enough for eBay personnel to figure out whose opinion to listen to in the first place when it comes to autographs. It's not like calling up Louis Vuitton and asking the head of their fraud department who their go-to guy for identifying fake handbags is. By and large, celebrities whose autographs are being sold do not have "authorized representatives" to make those definitive calls (I'm sure there are some that do, but most don't).

Considering what a small sliver of the overall eBay pie is represented by "autographed collectibles," there's absolutely no chance that eBay is going to pay someone in-house to do third-party analysis of signed items.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

From what I understand, none of the EMR's were ever paid one cent by eBay, nor does eBay pay any of the other watchdogs for counterfeit items.

You are absolutely correct, ebay never paid one cent to the EMR's.
EMR's only do the work for the good of the hobby. It is time consuming and no reward is paid by ebay except for a very small token which is given out at Christmas. (every year a pen, a memory stick, a thermos, etc). Works out to about five cents an hour.
I have now been informed that the card side is experiencing the same thing as the autograph side. EMR reports are being ignored and allegedly a re-organization has occurred in the oversight division.
THEY DON'T CARE ANY LONGER, if they ever really cared at all.

[Big Dave]

Ebay just sucks in general with everything now days. Pretty much quit selling on there awhile back but decided to sell something recently and was quite shocked at how far and greedy they have become. Sold an item on there for 1000.00 and between ebay and their surrogate evil stepchild, PayPal, they took 125.00 for fees. This is why I won't be back for a good while.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Sorry, but EBAY doesn't sell anything.

It is comprised of individual sellers, each with their own specific reputation or lack of reputation they can hang their hat on. It's not hard to narrow down the items of a specific seller you trust, from all the other nonsense you find on Ebay doing a general search.

That's kind of like opening up an issue of SCD 25 years ago, and telling yourself I'm not going to buy anything from Richard Simon, because Coach's Corner also advertises in SCD.

diagree dave...it would make them no better than the other platforms that don't filter fakes. I will not buy from those platforms. I will not buy a thing from a DEALER on e-bay then. How's that for you? I will not sell anything on e-bay. Is that clear enough for you?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

diagree dave...it would make them no better than the other platforms that don't filter fakes. I will not buy from those platforms. I will not buy a thing from a DEALER on e-bay then. How's that for you? I will not sell anything on e-bay. Is that clear enough for you?

Doesn't make sense to me, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Individual sellers on Ebay do not make up Ebay policy. They use the platform just like any other tool. Advertising in SCD, setting up your own website, sending out your own price list, posting in the B/S/T on Net54.

It's not hard to separate trustworthy sellers, from untrustworthy ones.........though I suppose it's harder then just throwing everybody under the same bus.

Sorry if I offended you somehow.

[RichardSimon]

I have been communicating with someone on the EMR team who is on the card side.
Based on what he has told me, ebay has never been very cooperative with the EMR team and at times has actually placed roadblocks in the way of the EMR volunteers.
Profit before doing the right thing seems to be the motto. Even though doing the right thing will result in greater profits in the long run.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Doesn't make sense to me, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Individual sellers on Ebay do not make up Ebay policy. They use the platform just like any other tool. Advertising in SCD, setting up your own website, sending out your own price list, posting in the B/S/T on Net54.

It's not hard to separate trustworthy sellers, from untrustworthy ones.........though I suppose it's harder then just throwing everybody under the same bus.

Sorry if I offended you somehow.

no offense taken, I just don't support companies that sell fake crap. E-bay is making plenty of money "not" selling things and I don't want to feed anyone one red cent when I don't believe in what they're doing....especially gigantic conglomerates like e-bay. That's my only point.

Others on Fudd's Current banned List:

Waste Management
Verizon
American Express
E-bay ( on the ropes)

all for various reasons

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

no offense taken, I just don't support companies that sell fake crap. E-bay is making plenty of money "not" selling things and I don't want to feed anyone one red cent when I don't believe in what they're doing....especially gigantic conglomerates like e-bay. That's my only point.

Others on Fudd's Current banned List:

Waste Management
Verizon
American Express
E-bay ( on the ropes)

all for various reasons

Fair enough. For the record, it does disturb me that Ebay is following through on this policy. The phrase "Beholden to the stockholders" usually does not bode well for the general public.

This, in tandem with yet another Ebay fee rate hike, Ebay deciding they want a chunk of the S&H costs, the recent Postage rate hikes (especially overseas items), and the continuing roadblocks Ebay puts up to reach their increasingly hard to obtain fee discounts, are going to eventually cost them both buyers and sellers alike.

[jgmp123]

We're they really taking that big of a financial hit?? I think not...

@WSJ: EBay gave its CEO $29.7 million last year, up 80% from $16.5 million a year earlier. http://t.co/YuuKriU9tw $EBAY