History being destroyed

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

...who knows if you are really getting a legit square of a real jersey or some piece of crap that some swindler sold.

Exactly. For the most part it's swindlers selling to people (card companies & end buyers) who have no respect for history....let them feed off of one another and leave the real stuff for those who appreciate it.

[jgmp123]

How can this not make you sick.... Same bat or two different bats destroyed???

[yanks12025]

Does anyone know if the bat used for the knob card has sold in auction?

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

How can this not make you sick.... Same bat or two different bats destroyed???

These are licensed under the MLB banner. I suppose MLB doesn't care about "destroying history" or they don't consider it as such.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

These are licensed under the MLB banner. I suppose MLB doesn't care about "destroying history" or they don't consider it as such.

As long as they can have 'Jackie Robinson' day, have his number retired for every team, and appear to have a huge interest in black history, their fictitious interest in black and/or baseball history is preserved and their profit mission is accomplished.

Don't kid yourself - by now everyone should have figured out that with MLB, it's all about the $'s.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

How can this not make you sick.... Same bat or two different bats destroyed???

This is like sneaking into the Smithsonian in the middle of the night and cutting up a famed artifact and foisting it on the public.

[Mark]

I don't see how some people don't recognize that when you cut up a bat you obliterate something terrific and wonderful and almost irreplaceable. Are there any former players in Congress who could introduce a bill forbidding this wanton destruction of national treasures? My hope is that what the card companies call "game used bats" are always index bats or bats that don't match known player preferences for length and weight and style. Even the Mears Authentic label doesn't mean that Mears thinks it was ever used by Wilson.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Mark

I don't see how some people don't recognize that when you cut up a bat you obliterate something terrific and wonderful and almost irreplaceable. Are there any former players in Congress who could introduce a bill forbidding this wanton destruction of national treasures? My hope is that what the card companies call "game used bats" are always index bats or bats that don't match known player preferences for length and weight and style. Even the Mears Authentic label doesn't mean that Mears thinks it was ever used by Wilson.

I don't think any former players would honestly care. I know MLB doesn't care.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

I don't think any former players would honestly care. I know MLB doesn't care.

I would offer them generous campaign contributions for pushing such legislation. I know two or three other people who would do it, too.


(hey, I'm not serious about this--just making a point).

[Nashvol]

I am hot and cold on this subject. There is just so much out there, it's hard to pinpoint what should be saved, curated, archived, etc. We just cannot save everything.

And remember, there is so much artificial, fake, forged, reprinted, etc. out there, too.

Of course, if there's something I'd like to add to my collection and can afford it, then by all means give me a shot at it first. But then, where does it start...

...bottom line: if there is a market for it, who's stopping them except for honest collectors who add to their collections?

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

This is like sneaking into the Smithsonian in the middle of the night and cutting up a famed artifact and foisting it on the public.

Interestingly, back in the 80s the Smithsonian did cut up some pieces and sell them in displays at their gift shops. My dad purchased one that supposedly was the piece of an airplane that Amelia Earhart piloted.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Interestingly, back in the 80s the Smithsonian did cut up some pieces and sell them in displays at their gift shops. My dad purchased one that supposedly was the piece of an airplane that Amelia Earhart piloted.

Yes, that's how they funded some of the restorations. When original fabric was removed from a cloth covered plane they made small pieces from the better looking areas and framed them with a picture. Big sectons of the original cloth were retained as reference materials.

Their restorations are incredibly detailed. The airplane cloth had to be specially made for each plane, matching fiber type,thread size, threads/inch and weaveing pattern. The same detail went onto all the rest as well. Perfect, but very expensive.

The US Constitution had done the same at times. Rotted wood that gets replaced is sometimes sold. But then, there's very little original ship left.
I did a job there once and they had two masts laying on the dock. When I asked about them they said they were mistakes, new replacement masts that had been made a few feet too short.

Chopping up bats is a bit different.

Steve B

[autograf]

Agree completely with most.......new guys, saw 'em up, no big deal. Griffy Jr and Jeter and the rest go through bats like crazy now days. There's not tons of bats of some of these older guys out there though to enable cutting them all up. Same thing with uniforms.....

[Mark]

Have they tried cutting up any 52 Mantles or t206 Wagners for chase cards? Would card collectors find that acceptable?