I didn't know a piece of fabric could be this expensive...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

What is this? And who says?

C'mon Hank. It's a piece of leather from something and it could be what they say.

[Sean1125]

This may seem like an odd question but I am simply interested in whether it is possible...

Could these companies by class-action suited if they couldn't prove the provenance on the pieces of memorabilia inserted into cards that specifically say game used?

[packs]

I know I'd be upset if I paid that much money.

[CW]

How about $1600 and counting for a Jim Thorpe button???

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CW

How about $1600 and counting for a Jim Thorpe button???

Wow, almost makes me want to sell his card and get one of those!!@ > I guess they have provenance?
But when stepping back a second, and being devil's advocate, why couldn't this button-card be enjoyed as much, or more, than something else? (again, just for arguments sake).

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Leon

Wow, almost makes me want to sell his card and get one of those!!@ > I guess they have provenance?
But when stepping back a second, and being devil's advocate, why couldn't this button-card be enjoyed as much, or more, than something else? (again, just for arguments sake).

I suppose it could be enjoyed as much as something else. (Like a root canal maybe?) But the basis for that enjoyment is to me something that should eventually feel a bit hollow. The knowing that whatever article of clothing it was from was destroyed. That should eventually feel wrong as the collector learns more about whatever memorabilia was cut up.
I don't buy the semi socialist "cut it up so everyone can afford a piece" attitude. There are a lot of collectibles that I'll never own simply because they cost so much. For some reason I manage to feel glad that there are people who can afford them, rather than being jealous. Ok, maybe a bit jealous, but I'm still glad there are people able and willing to assemble collections that are impressive both for the items and the expense.

I have some stuff from when I had an even smaller budget than I have now. When I bought the Willie Mays Heartland that was missing an arm and had the second one loose in the bag I was happy to have it. The same goes for my first T206 that was nearly torn in half, and the first game used bat I bought- Dwight Evans- cracked and Adirondack, but only $9! I got a T3 the same day, also in truly awful condition. What a day that was!

On another level, at least to me, it feels a bit insulting and more than a little wrong that an Italian company is cutting up this stuff then labelling it "national treasures". Funny, I don't see that sort of thing in their soccer products. And no non-sports sets with stuff like a piece of the coliseum on the card.

Steve B

[Leon]

Originally Posted by steve B

I suppose it could be enjoyed as much as something else. (Like a root canal maybe?) But the basis for that enjoyment is to me something that should eventually feel a bit hollow. The knowing that whatever article of clothing it was from was destroyed. That should eventually feel wrong as the collector learns more about whatever memorabilia was cut up.
I don't buy the semi socialist "cut it up so everyone can afford a piece" attitude. There are a lot of collectibles that I'll never own simply because they cost so much. For some reason I manage to feel glad that there are people who can afford them, rather than being jealous. Ok, maybe a bit jealous, but I'm still glad there are people able and willing to assemble collections that are impressive both for the items and the expense.

I have some stuff from when I had an even smaller budget than I have now. When I bought the Willie Mays Heartland that was missing an arm and had the second one loose in the bag I was happy to have it. The same goes for my first T206 that was nearly torn in half, and the first game used bat I bought- Dwight Evans- cracked and Adirondack, but only $9! I got a T3 the same day, also in truly awful condition. What a day that was!

On another level, at least to me, it feels a bit insulting and more than a little wrong that an Italian company is cutting up this stuff then labelling it "national treasures". Funny, I don't see that sort of thing in their soccer products. And no non-sports sets with stuff like a piece of the coliseum on the card.

Steve B

I am not for cutting up our treasures either. But when something can be made collectible, from when it was almost trash, then that isn't a bad thing. As for the button from Thorpe, If it was from a jersey that was almost completely torn up otherwise, I might not have an issue. If it came from an item that was in nice shape beforehand, I would certainly be against that. But that isn't what I meant concerning my comment. It only had to do with "can the item be enjoyed as a collectible?" Under certain circumstances, as mentioned, I think so. (those kinds of things aren't for me, regardless)