A Real Shocker

[cubsfan-budman]

I think the top "B" just looks really difficult to write. Unnatural.

[David Atkatz]

You're turning into a one-trick pony, Scott.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

You're turning into a one-trick pony, Scott.

If that were true, I guess your predictable rebuttals would make you my faithful sidekick.

Instead of taking little nips at my posts, why don't you say something of substance? Explain how the same person could have written both of the 'b's shown above.

And "it looks real to me" isn't useful. All decent forgeries look real.

[Michael B]

Notice how the upstroke on the 'b' is straight, while the downstroke is bowed backwards. The upstroke and the back of the bowl of the 'b' look like one line when in true cursive the upstroke would be bowed forward and the downstroke would be a straight line down to the bottom of the bowl and crossing the upstroke. Appears that they got confused and did not know how to do a cursive b.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Notice how the upstroke on the 'b' is straight, while the downstroke is bowed backwards. The upstroke and the back of the bowl of the 'b' look like one line when in true cursive the upstroke would be bowed forward and the downstroke would be a straight line down to the bottom of the bowl and crossing the upstroke. Appears that they got confused and did not know how to do a cursive b.

See above, David.

(Thanks Michael)

[David Atkatz]

How could these signatures possibly be by the same person?

[Runscott]

Explain the 'b' in 'Urban', David

When you are done with that, go back and check the two Lazzeri signatures I posted in Chris' thread.

[David Atkatz]

When you explain the above. Letter-by-letter, like Michael did.

[David Atkatz]

I gave my opinion on that ball, Scott, and I stick by it.
IMHO--and those of many experienced with autographs--one who claims an autograph is no good because this or that particular letter is "wrong," doesn't know much about autographs.

Every letter in that first Gehrig is "wrong." (And so are the letter connections.) But it's good.

[Runscott]

Are you implying that one of the Shocker signatures was written in a hurry, but the other was carefully penned?

It really looks more like the someone tried to carefully forge the 1927 signature, but got confused when they got to the 'b'.

The Gehrig signatures don't exhibit those qualities at all, so I really don't get your point, other than you were trying to come up with something to deflect the question.