Enough with the hostility...

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

While it's being discussed, I'd like to add that the passive-agressive hostility is just as damaging as what just transpired above.

Hank, Jim - Insinuating that we are cowards hiding behind keyboards or that one out of twenty of us is a sociopath is just uncool.

Don't take it personally.

[Runscott]

I've never seen one of these 'Everybody be nice like me' threads turn out well - not on any internet forum. Not when it's a nice guy doing it, and not when it's a not-so-nice guy doing it.

The forum dynamics get established over time, they ebb and they flow, but the changes either occur naturally over time, or a moderator steps in and imposes some new rules because things have gotten out of hand.

I'm missing where things have gotten 'hostile'. Even over on the autograph side, things don't seem too bad. It's the internet - if it's not working for you, go out in real life more.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

It's the internet - if it's not working for you, go out in real life more.

I like that.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by Runscott

It's the internet - if it's not working for you, go out in real life more.

I like that as well...

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I like that as well...

+1

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Don't take it personally.

Touché.

[teetwoohsix]

The one thing I try to take into account is that everyone is different- there is no way everything will always be smooth sailing. And I agree that many people who might not like a person because of what they write on the internet might have a totally different opinion of that same person if they were to meet at a show or wherever.

And with that being said, I think that's where there's sort of a "good ol' boys" group on Net54 who have a hard time adapting to people they haven't had the pleasure of meeting in person. I have made quite a few friends on the board, but have not met anyone in person. I hope I can make it to the California show and put some faces to some names and create some more friendships. If not, all is well.

There also seems to be a problem with some older collectors accepting new information that differs with information that they have been presenting as fact; the old "it's my way or the highway" type of attitude. They refuse to accept information no matter how sensible and well researched it is, because it's different than what they have believed or posted for so long. Sometimes this creates an air of hostility, in my opinion, and naturally creates some type of divide. If there was a chance at being open minded to collective research, an old dog may actually be able to learn new tricks

Matt- the Ice Cube post had me rolling

Sincerely, Clayton

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

And with that being said, I think that's where there's sort of a "good ol' boys" group on Net54 who have a hard time adapting to people they haven't had the pleasure of meeting in person. I have made quite a few friends on the board, but have not met anyone in person. I hope I can make it to the California show and put some faces to some names and create some more friendships. If not, all is well.

There also seems to be a problem with some older collectors accepting new information that differs with information that they have been presenting as fact; the old "it's my way or the highway" type of attitude. They refuse to accept information no matter how sensible and well researched it is, because it's different than what they have believed or posted for so long. Sometimes this creates an air of hostility, in my opinion, and naturally creates some type of divide. If there was a chance at being open minded to collective research, an old dog may actually be able to learn new tricks

Matt- the Ice Cube post had me rolling

Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton, I have sensed the above attitude from newer collectors, so it's good that you have finally aired it out. In any hobby there are people who were around before the new guys. Those people share experiences and stories, and understandably, enjoy doing so. Young guys should not think of this as non-acceptance. Someday you'll be in the same situation.

Regarding hostilities, I think you are only looking at it from one side. If a collector has been around for a very long time, doing a lot of research, and a newer collector pops in and presents contradictory theories as fact, there is going to be a hostile reaction. Sometimes it's not what you say - it's how you say it.

Regarding the

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Clayton, I have sensed the above attitude from newer collectors, so it's good that you have finally aired it out. In any hobby there are people who were around before the new guys. Those people share experiences and stories, and understandably, enjoy doing so. Young guys should not think of this as non-acceptance. Someday you'll be in the same situation.

Regarding hostilities, I think you are only looking at it from one side. If a collector has been around for a very long time, doing a lot of research, and a newer collector pops in and presents contradictory theories as fact, there is going to be a hostile reaction. Sometimes it's not what you say - it's how you say it.

Regarding the

Point well taken Scott. I'm in the newer collector catagory, and I do understand the comaraderie (sp?) that the veteran collectors have with each other. I love the saying "it is what it is" because that's what it is

The second paragraph~ I do understand what you are saying, just don't know if I agree. I've seen contradictory theories presented as theories that make more sense, and the reader is always open to judge for themselves- at least that's how these things have always came across to me. I've never read them presented as fact only, and the people presenting the theories (and sometime's evidence) are always open to a rational discussion.

I do agree with "sometime's it's not what you say, but how you say it". I think I myself have this problem, and as hard as I try to word things right, sometimes it doesn't come out right on a monitor

Anyway, the board will roll on and there will always be some great threads going. We can all have a good time & check out some cards !!!

Sincerely, Clayton

[drc]

Personally, I'm torn. I don't know if everyone in this thread pretty much sucks or totally sucks. My dog has more insightful thoughts on baseball cards than this crowd. And he's been dead for six years.

P.s. Your religion is silly and your political views are childlike.

P.s.s. It's called grammar. Try it some time.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by drc

Personally, I'm torn. I don't know if everyone in this thread pretty much sucks or totally sucks. My dog has more insightful thoughts on baseball cards than this crowd. And he's been dead for six years.

P.s. Your religion is silly and your political views are childlike.

Now THAT'S punk rock !!!!

Sincerely, Clayton

[drc]

Oh wait, sorry. I misread the thread title.