EMR Team-Please have this one removed

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by novakjr

sylbry. Damn. Bo must love those official league balls. I almost wonder if ebay should ban all signed "official league" balls, unless they come with certification from an approved authenticator.. Personally, I'm getting tired of having to sort through them..Almost EVERY one is atrocious, and comes with some hokey holo, generic father-son COA, or Global cert..

This caught my attention because I know Bo's signature nearly as well as he does. Have spent over 20 years buying and selling his autograph. There are 20 different user ID's on ebay all selling the identical fake Bo Jackson signed items. And these same 20 user ID's are also selling fake autographs of other players as well. Who ever is behind this is committing a massive amount of fraud and ebay does nothing each and every time I report the items.

Why even bother allowing people to report items if you are not going to act on it? This isn't some unlucky/gullible individual who bought some crap certed by ACE, Global, Drew Max, or any of the other bumbling idiots and now just trying to dump it on a different unlucky/gullible individual. This is twenty unique ebay ID's all selling the same fake items. This is organized fraud on a large scale. Seems like a large problem to me.

[RichardSimon]

There are many out there who authenticate fakes all the time but do not call them bumbling idiots.
The ones who authenticate fakes consistently know exactly what they are doing.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The ones who authenticate fakes consistently know exactly what they are doing.

True. But it makes one wonder how much long-term vision they have.

Do they really think they can keep it up for any length of time before being outed? I highly doubt any of these FDEs are living on easy street from all the worthless COAs they've pumped out.

After the legal fees and having their names [rightfully] dragged through the mud, was it really worth it?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

True. But it makes one wonder how much long-term vision they have.

Do they really think they can keep it up for any length of time before being outed? I highly doubt any of these FDEs are living on easy street from all the worthless COAs they've pumped out.

After the legal fees and having their names [rightfully] dragged through the mud, was it really worth it?

They have been outed and still they churn out the garbage. I think they are making enough money to make it worth their while. Dragging their names through the mud on a hobby forum is a small price for them to pay, considering they care little about their names.

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

True. But it makes one wonder how much long-term vision they have.

Do they really think they can keep it up for any length of time before being outed? I highly doubt any of these FDEs are living on easy street from all the worthless COAs they've pumped out.

After the legal fees and having their names [rightfully] dragged through the mud, was it really worth it?

Good point and thats why there are so many "Autograph Dealers" that no one has ever heard of, its because they are always morphing into something else. Changing the names of their companies or using unsuspecting retailers to sell their goods.

That why the important question regarding a seller is HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN SELLING AUTOGRAPHS ??? Most reputable dealers (and there are at least several) have been in business a long long time , far longer in most cases than the authentication "experts" who often turn to these dealers for opinions and advice (although they won;t tell you that).
A reputable dealer not only gives his opinion and expertise when he sells an autograph and uses all resources at his disposal using all due diligence but puts his hard earned reputation on the line and stands behind everything he sells. Not for a month or a year but for life !

And if anyone is new and can't tell the good guys from the bad guys , just ask a collecting veteran "Who are the guys that know their stuff ?" they will be happy to tell you.

The hard facts behind ANY new business is that 80% will fail the first year and of the 20% that make it 80% of those will fold over the first three years. So when you see someone thats been around for decades and especially in this business/ hobby that fact should speak for itself
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[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by jimstinson

good point and thats why there are so many "autograph dealers" that no one has ever heard of, its because they are always morphing into something else. Changing the names of their companies or using unsuspecting retailers to sell their goods.

That why the important question regarding a seller is how long has he been selling autographs ??? Most reputable dealers (and there are at least several) have been in business a long long time , far longer in most cases than the authentication "experts" who often turn to these dealers for opinions and advice (although they won;t tell you that).
A reputable dealer not only gives his opinion and expertise when he sells an autograph and uses all resources at his disposal using all due diligence but puts his hard earned reputation on the line and stands behind everything he sells. Not for a month or a year but for life !

And if anyone is new and can't tell the good guys from the bad guys , just ask a collecting veteran "who are the guys that know their stuff ?" they will be happy to tell you.

The hard facts behind any new business is that 80% will fail the first year and of the 20% that make it 80% of those will fold over the first three years. So when you see someone thats been around for decades and especially in this business/ hobby that fact should speak for itself

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+100

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by sylbry

This is twenty unique ebay ID's all selling the same fake items. This is organized fraud on a large scale. Seems like a large problem to me.

There are a number of forgery rings operating on eBay. Regrettably, it's like whack-a-mole. You identify and stamp out a seller or two and they will all close down -- only to return under all new names a few weeks later.

These are organized criminals who are determined and make a lot of money through this enterprise. They are not just going to easily give up.