Let the bidding frenzy begin......

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I can actually answer this question. None. I'm not trying to be cute. I just know the timing of the situation.

I kind of had that feeling.........

Sincerely, Clayton

[Brian Van Horn]

Clayton,

Sorry about the poll .

[glchen]

Steve, I think you missed this post by Leon in this thread which already answers your post: Link.

Clayton, there's this tool called snipe software, which people use to try to minimize the final price of an auction. So not sure why your potential poll would even be relevant to this debate.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by glchen

Steve, I think you missed this post by Leon in this thread which already answers your post: Link.

Clayton, there's this tool called snipe software, which people use to try to minimize the final price of an auction. So not sure why your potential poll would even be relevant to this debate.

Gary, the poll idea was more of a joke. I know about sniping software as well. Here's the way I looked at it. The OP has been a regular poster on this board, longer than both you and I, and I'm sure he knows how people feel about "outing auctions". So, I'm pretty sure he brought attention to the auction for the benefit of the board as a whole-it was a 24 hour auction and a rare item. Not everyone sits on ebay all day long or uses auction sniping software, but the regular posters and board members seem to check the board on a daily or somewhat regular basis.

So, maybe he wanted "board members" who might have an interest in this item, but may not have noticed the auction, to have a shot at it?

I understand people do not like auctions being outed. I get it. But how many of the people who are mad about this auction being outed bid on this item? Anyone? Did you bid before it was outed,or after?

If a rare item is in a major auction house, do you get upset when someone posts "XXXX auction is up and running!!!"?

All of this revolves around the fact that "someone" didn't get a chance at a steal- but the OP gave the whole board a chance to bid on something they might not have noticed if it weren't for this thread. It was a 24 hour auction.

This is just my opinion, and I'm ok with being wrong, if I am.

Sincerely, Clayton

[glchen]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Gary, the poll idea was more of a joke. I know about sniping software as well. Here's the way I looked at it. The OP has been a regular poster on this board, longer than both you and I, and I'm sure he knows how people feel about "outing auctions". So, I'm pretty sure he brought attention to the auction for the benefit of the board as a whole-it was a 24 hour auction and a rare item. Not everyone sits on ebay all day long or uses auction sniping software, but the regular posters and board members seem to check the board on a daily or somewhat regular basis.

So, maybe he wanted "board members" who might have an interest in this item, but may not have noticed the auction, to have a shot at it?

I understand people do not like auctions being outed. I get it. But how many of the people who are mad about this auction being outed bid on this item? Anyone? Did you bid before it was outed,or after?

If a rare item is in a major auction house, do you get upset when someone posts "XXXX auction is up and running!!!"?

All of this revolves around the fact that "someone" didn't get a chance at a steal- but the OP gave the whole board a chance to bid on something they might not have noticed if it weren't for this thread. It was a 24 hour auction.

This is just my opinion, and I'm ok with being wrong, if I am.

Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton,

Outing auctions on the main board is just one of those issues where reasonable people will just have differing opinions. For example you brought up that the Brian has been on this board longer than us, so he knows the board better than us. However, I don't want to speak for him, I believe, Leon, who is the board owner would have preferred that auctions like this not be outed. So where does that leave us?

Outing auctions makes items more expensive for those who want to purchase them. So for you, Brian, and others who believe that they are just giving those other collectors a chance, it also makes cards much more expensive for those of us who are looking for those cards. And there is another forum for auctions, the BST board, that has been pointed out before. Just out them there, and not on the main board. You can't have the main board populated with outing cards that some board members think that other board members may be interested in.

I did not bid on this auction at all. I put in a snipe of $6100 for the card, but obviously, it never not executed because the card ran past that figure very quickly after it was outed on the board. As I said in an earlier post, Chris' bid would have crushed mine anyway. I still don't understand why it matters whether I put in a bid before or after the auction was outed. It does not matter because snipes exist, so it's not relevant to the debate of whether someone should out auctions on the main board or not. Not sure why you can't understand this point.

If a rare item from a major auction house gets outed on the main board, sure, I'm a bit annoyed. However, board advertisers can do this, so I am fine with it since it is part of the board rules. For example, during Leland's last auction, Leon mentioned that this auction had a bunch of Tabaco Angola cards which are particularly rare, and for which I was bidding on. I still managed to win the one that I wanted, but I may have paid more for it, who knows. However, sponsors can advertise auctions like this, so I'm fine with it.

[glchen]

One other thing that I don't quite understand is some arguments for this have been framed around "well, you just wanted to get a steal, which is why you didn't want the auction outed?" Are people jealous when other board members get good deals or something? I don't understand this point. For example, when Leon got a particular good deal on a Tobaco Angola card for Ruth that did not list Ruth in the ebay listing, I was not jealous. I was unhappy that I did not know about that auction so I didn't bid on it, but I was happy for Leon and the other board members who put in the work to troll through ebay listing after listing to find these great cards.

[ullmandds]

I also don't understand some people's opinions on this matter. In my opinion...outing a vaguely advertised...24 hr ebay auction of a rare...high dollar ruth card is NOT comparable to someone "outing" a plank in one of the major auction houses where the auction may last for weeks...not even in the same ball park.

To me it's a matter of etiquette...and some people don't seem to know/care what this means?!

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I also don't understand some people's opinions on this matter. In my opinion...outing a vaguely advertised...24 hr ebay auction of a rare...high dollar ruth card is NOT comparable to someone "outing" a plank in one of the major auction houses where the auction may last for weeks...not even in the same ball park.

To me it's a matter of etiquette...and some people don't seem to know/care what this means?!

And this, you talk about "etiquette", morals, ethics- but you find it ok to constantly disrespect people who collect T206 cards. Is that the kind of "etiquette" you are referring to? Just wondering.

Sincerely, Clayton

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by glchen

One other thing that I don't quite understand is some arguments for this have been framed around "well, you just wanted to get a steal, which is why you didn't want the auction outed?" Are people jealous when other board members get good deals or something? I don't understand this point. For example, when Leon got a particular good deal on a Tobaco Angola card for Ruth that did not list Ruth in the ebay listing, I was not jealous. I was unhappy that I did not know about that auction so I didn't bid on it, but I was happy for Leon and the other board members who put in the work to troll through ebay listing after listing to find these great cards.

I don't think people get jealous about people getting good deals, speaking for myself, I'm happy for people when they get a great deal. Like I said earlier, I understand why people don't want auctions outed. I am not confused about the benefits to some of an auction being missed by the majority.

I bet you wouldn't mind if the auction was only "outed" to you via a PM, and you and only you had a chance to bid on it. Would you be morally upset by that type of outing? Of course not. But, if it's outed to the whole board, it's a sin.

Sincerely, Clayton