Let the bidding frenzy begin......

[HRBAKER]

Two issues at play here: a.) the issue of a seller/consignor slyly "outing" his listing anonymously in order to attain greater audience share and drive price, and b.) the feeling that if an ebayer through their own work has uncovered something listed either poorly, erroneously or incorrectly so that it may be able to be obtained at a significantly lower price then the "outing" negates this chance. It is "b" that is being discussed here.

[conor912]

Thanks. Then I do understand and it is completely absurd. For one to assume that none of the other millions of eBay users will see the same listing is just f***ing dillusional, particularly a big ticket item with "babe Ruth" in the title.

[Bored5000]

I have to agree that any auction with the words "Babe Ruth" in the title is not going to slip by undetected. I am sure there are lots of Ruth fans out there that search by his name on eBay. When I search using a player's name, I usually set a set a minimum price to weed out all the overproduced modern stuff.

I am not a Ruth collector, and $8Gs are way out of my price range. But that would make me feal uneasy to drop that much cash on a raw card off eBay.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I have to agree that any auction with the words "Babe Ruth" in the title is not going to slip by undetected. I am sure there are lots of Ruth fans out there that search by his name on eBay. When I search using a player's name, I usually set a set a minimum price to weed out all the overproduced modern stuff.

I am not a Ruth collector, and $8Gs are way out of my price range. But that would make me feal uneasy to drop that much cash on a raw card off eBay.

But say you only search ebay once per day, and when you did your daily search you didn't see this card because at the time it wasn't above your min price.

[ullmandds]

I agree w/brock! Many on this board have found bargain gems on ebay due to poor/vague listings...i have too.

[chaddurbin]

seller's weird. he knows it's an expensive card. he knows of lipset, yet he puts up a vague title and 1-day auction. 2 too many red flags for me.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

seller's weird. he knows it's an expensive card. he knows of lipset, yet he puts up a vague title and 1-day auction. 2 too many red flags for me.

Quan,
It is/was a very curious scenario.

[nsaddict]

I agree with Brock, Peter and others against outing. This card had a good recipe for less traffic being one day. Strange how the seller sold an American Caramel Cobb last month with a 10 day listing. Anyone know the winner y***t (4337)?
Obviously members here already mentioned missing it?

[triwak]

Fellow Collectors: DON'T OUT AUCTIONS!!! Period. If you have a question about an item that you are thinking of bidding on, try to word your question hypothetically. Or better yet, try messaging someone on this board privately. I think this ebay-outing example kinda sux! And no, I wasn't an interested party.

[Joe_G.]

The auction was outed. Not a card of interest to me, but I'd hate to see for a Detroit OJ of Deacon White, for example, to be outed in a similar fashion.

Despite having Babe Ruth in the title, it would have been missed by many given the one day listing and strange (early) end time. Some of us patiently, frequently, and diligently search eBay for the cards we collect in the hope that we will sometimes be rewarded with a little less competition when a card of interest does surface.

On the other hand, we often help each other out by alerting friends to cards that we know might interest them without going public.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

But say you only search ebay once per day, and when you did your daily search you didn't see this card because at the time it wasn't above your min price.

I usually set my min. price for something like $100-150 to weed out worthless stuff. If an $8,000 card is has not cracked the $100-150 barrier, there is a good reason for that. The reason is far more likely that it is a fake than simply because every collector on eBay at any given time has just missed it.

I don't mean to be argumentative at all. If the auction title would not have had Babe Ruth in the title listing, I could see the card flying under the radar. But not when Ruth is named in the title listing.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by conor912

Thanks. Then I do understand and it is completely absurd. For one to assume that none of the other millions of eBay users will see the same listing is just f***ing dillusional, particularly a big ticket item with "babe Ruth" in the title.

Well guess you don't have alot of experience buying from ebay because sometimes big ticket items get past people. Not every person who goes on ebay finds all the same items. Some people may look in weird categories while others just stick to searching in basic baseball categories.

And it's a 24 hour listing, say someone who does a ebay search for Babe Ruth wasn't on ebay that day but came across this thread. Now they know about the item. So what do you have to say about the lot I won two weeks ago that sold for $700 because it was 1. Listed in wrong section 2. described wrong and the items are actually worth $3,000+. If it was listed in the right section or got outing in a forum it would have sold for alot more.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Well guess you don't have alot of experience buying from ebay because sometimes big ticket items get past people. Not every person who goes on ebay finds all the same items. Some people may look in weird categories while others just stick to searching in basic baseball categories.

You're right. I stay the hell away from $10k raw cards with vague descriptions by sketchy sellers. They're all yours.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by conor912

Thanks. Then I do understand and it is completely absurd. For one to assume that none of the other millions of eBay users will see the same listing is just f***ing dillusional, particularly a big ticket item with "babe Ruth" in the title.

It is in fact "f***king delusional" to maintain that the absence of pertinent info on the card in a one day auction, even Babe Ruth, does not lessen exposure and thus potentially results in a deserved bargain for someone who put in the time to dig it out without the help of outing.

[Jewish-collector]

People search for Babe Ruth cards every blankin hour. There's no way they wouln't see it. Is the seller a member of Net54 ? Maybe the winner is a member, too. We can ask him how he found out about the auction.

[Blunder19]

how much would this card in this condition go for in a major auction house?

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

how much would this card in this condition go for in a major auction house?

Hard to tell. There was an SGC 70 of this same card that went for slightly over $8k about fifteen months ago. It doesn't trade frequently enough to have a good idea, but I think >$10k is a very strong price for this card, period.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

Hard to tell. There was an SGC 70 of this same card that went for slightly over $8k about fifteen months ago. It doesn't trade frequently enough to have a good idea, but I think >$10k is a very strong price for this card, period.

A Ruth is better condition (PSA 5.5) went for 44k recently. 10k doesn't seem ridiculous for this card IMO.

I don't know why a seller would do a one day auction with such a weird description on this. If I had won the card I would be picking it up in person for that kind of money.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

People search for Babe Ruth cards every blankin hour. There's no way they wouln't see it. Is the seller a member of Net54 ? Maybe the winner is a member, too. We can ask him how he found out about the auction.

Doesn't matter how many people search for babe ruth cards a hour. Not many people would spend 10k+

[HRBAKER]

but I think >$10k is a very strong price for this card, period.

That's where I'm at.

[glchen]

I would have preferred that this auction not have been outed. As others have said, although Ruth is widely searched on ebay, people miss auctions all the time. I have a saved search on Ruth, but I did not know of this auction until I saw the net54 posting. You can see how dramatically in price this card rose on a typically slow Saturday for ebay after the thread went up. Especially since this auction was a 1 day auction, ending at a strange time, there might have been a small chance to pick it up at a decent price. As Brock said, it's not that you need to weed out every Ruth collector. You just need to have the ones who would have been willing to bid more than you for this auction miss it.

The price for this card was very strong, especially considering the back damage. It might even grade an authentic for all we know. This card sold on ebay last year for ~10K in SGC5. It was then flipped to PSA 5, and sold at Migh High for over 30K to Spence. Peter picked up a very nice version of this card last year also. No question, this card is hot.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Two issues at play here: a.) the issue of a seller/consignor slyly "outing" his listing anonymously in order to attain greater audience share and drive price, and b.) the feeling that if an ebayer through their own work has uncovered something listed either poorly, erroneously or incorrectly so that it may be able to be obtained at a significantly lower price then the "outing" negates this chance. It is "b" that is being discussed here.

I understand "B" and feel that "B" probably occured in this case, I can see why some folks may be a tad upset, but I don't understand why "A" would be any big deal? Isn't there even a section on the BST for "outing" (advertsing) your own ebay auctions?

[HRBAKER]

Well, that's where it is properly done. The front page could end up being flooded with that type of listing. And usually when it is done on the front end page it is not done with full disclosure so to speak.

I.e., "What do you guys think about this "so and so" listed in "X" Auction. Isn't this a tough card? It really looks like it is in good shape. What do you think is a fair price for it?"

That has no business on the Pre-War Card Forum page IMO.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Well, that's where it is properly done. The front page could end up being flooded with that type of listing. And usually when it is done on the front end page it is not done with full disclosure so to speak.

I.e., "What do you guys think about this "so and so" listed in "X" Auction. Isn't this a tough card? It really looks like it is in good shape. What do you think is a fair price for it?"

That has no business on the Pre-War Card Forum page IMO.

I understand and agree (regarding "A") .

This quote by Leon seems to be saying that outing your own auction is frowned upon:

Originally Posted by Leon

It is not ok to out anything you have a vested interest in, or doing it for a friend who has a vested interest... That would be against the rules.

I'm not really following the logic there, unless he is saying the same thing you are saying. (advertise your own auctions with full disclosure and in the proper place on the forum)

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tonyo

I understand and agree (regarding "A") .

This quote by Leon seems to be saying that outing your own auction is frowned upon:

I'm not really following the logic there, unless he is saying the same thing you are saying. (advertise your own auctions with full disclosure and in the proper place on the forum)

I am saying that it is not ok to spam your own sales and/or auctions, or those of someone you are conspiring with who has a vested interest in an item, on the front page. There is a place for that in the BST sections. It is the 8th BST section from the top and says

Ebay/Vintage Card Auctions B/S/T

That is the place to spam things you have consigned to auction houses, ebay auctions, other peoples auctions or whatever. As I always say "there is no rule against outing auctions, per the easy rules, but I personally would prefer it not be done." No one will get in trouble for doing it besides having some folks not be happy with you.

I still think it's effing crazy to talk about an ongoing auction on the front page which you have an interest in. Just crazy. And I didn't have much back up on the issue when another board member did it recently..which is fine, it happens, but to me it's ludicrous. No smart person is going to post something they have an interest in so thousands of others can see if they have an interest too. I will look anyone square in the eyes and tell them that was a stupid thing to do.



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[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am saying that it is not ok to spam your own sales and/or auctions, or those of someone you are conspiring with who has a vested interest in an item, on the front page. .

Well that clears it up and you and Jeff are saying the same thing.

I was corn-fused by your post #13:

Originally Posted by Leon

It is not ok to out anything you have a vested interest in, or doing it for a friend who has a vested interest... That would be against the rules.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by tonyo

I don't understand why "A" would be any big deal? Isn't there even a section on the BST for "outing" (advertsing) your own ebay auctions?

+1

[nsaddict]

"I understand "B" and feel that "B" probably occured in this case, I can see why some folks may be a tad upset"

+1

also posted by tonyo

[doug.goodman]

Some of you guys are a bunch of cry-babies.

They only thing wrong with "outing" an auction is that it costs those of us who ultimately win the "outed" auction money.

Bummer for us, but that's part of the fun of the collecting game. Maybe I'll get a steal, maybe I won't. Oh no! somebody outed it, and now I have to pay more, boo-hoo-hoo.

Next time I sell stuff, I guarantee I will do my best to "out" my auctions, and I hope some of you will do the same.

Laughing at the absurdity of this "debate",
Doug

[ullmandds]

C'mon guys..this is merely a somewhat spirited discussion here?! More interesting than someone posting "Is this beat to shit T206 card a proof or printers scrap?" or someone letting the community know a red old mill back is fake...no duh!

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Some of you guys are a bunch of cry-babies.

They only thing wrong with "outing" an auction is that it costs those of us who ultimately win the "outed" auction money.

Bummer for us, but that's part of the fun of the collecting game. Maybe I'll get a steal, maybe I won't. Oh no! somebody outed it, and now I have to pay more, boo-hoo-hoo.

Next time I sell stuff, I guarantee I will do my best to "out" my auctions, and I hope some of you will do the same.

Laughing at the absurdity of this "debate",
Doug

My Hero!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

My Hero!

On second thought, I think that the following rules should be implemented effective immediately :

#1 - It shall be against the rules to "out" any auction, by anyone, including the seller.

#2 - All auctions shall be run by me before they are posted on ebay or any other company site, or published in any catalog, so that I can see what they are, and if I want to buy the item, please refer to rule #1

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

On second thought, I think that the following rules should be implemented effective immediately :

#1 - It shall be against the rules to "out" any auction, by anyone, including the seller.

#2 - All auctions shall be run by me before they are posted on ebay or any other company site, or published in any catalog, so that I can see what they are, and if I want to buy the item, please refer to rule #1

Ahhh, ego reinforcement. Love it . I actually have a list I'd like to run by you, but it violates rule #1.