Opinion on Babe Ruth auto

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

Guys,

You're killling me...

If I had the JSA cert, I would post it. The card company said that it's JSA certified, and I have no reason to doubt it. The cert isn't going to provide any additional info other than to say that in JSA's "considered opinion", the auto is legit.

Trust me, the card company is tired of dealing with me, and they know that I'm going to research any auto they give to me as a replacement.

if you cant post a picture of the cert, then quit wasting everyone's time. it hasnt been verified as jsa certified if you havent seen the cert or cant show it to people. i am not a fan of jsa, but you have to be fair when calling it a jsa certified item. its always the autograph that is important, and the cert shouldn't matter when getting people's opinion of good vs. bad, but you can't say something is abc or xyz certified when you dont have proof. proof is a photo or copy of the LOA so we can SEE it! Why does this smell of a set up?

We've been in this hobby too long to have our time wasted.

it is a jsa certified if it has a jsa cert, if you dont have or cant get a picture of the jsa cert, then its not jsa certified. period. in this hobby, you trust but verify.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by travrosty

if you cant post a picture of the cert, then quit wasting everyone's time. it hasnt been verified as jsa certified if you havent seen the cert or cant show it to people. i am not a fan of jsa, but you have to be fair when calling it a jsa certified item. its always the autograph that is important, and the cert shouldn't matter when getting people's opinion of good vs. bad, but you can't say something is abc or xyz certified when you dont have proof. proof is a photo or copy of the LOA so we can SEE it! Why does this smell of a set up?

We've been in this hobby too long to have our time wasted.

it is a jsa certified if it has a jsa cert, if you dont have or cant get a picture of the jsa cert, then its not jsa certified. period. in this hobby, you trust but verify.

Agreed... I really really REALLY doubt JSA would EVER cert this auto. Prove it or stop posting it as JSA certed.

[Westsiders]

So let me get this straight...

If it's JSA certified then it's real. But all the "experts" in this chat room will only render an opinion if they have a cert to go along with it. Please....

Very disappointed in this chat room. All you guys support each other in not being willing to give a detailed opinion. Doesn't take much expertise to say "don't like it" or "no good".
Once more explanation is asked for, you guys say "set up". WHHHHYYYY would someone set you up????? For what benefit???? This is silly.

And the "set up" and "wasting our time" comments are simply ridiculous.

You guys win.

You beat the new guy looking for help.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

So let me get this straight...

If it's JSA certified then it's real. But all the "experts" in this chat room will only render an opinion if they have a cert to go along with it. Please....

Very disappointed in this chat room. All you guys support each other in not being willing to give a detailed opinion. Doesn't take much expertise to say "don't like it" or "no good".
Once more explanation is asked for, you guys say "set up". WHHHHYYYY would someone set you up????? For what benefit???? This is silly.

And the "set up" and "wasting our time" comments are simply ridiculous.

You guys win.

You beat the new guy looking for help.

It seems to me that plenty of opinions were rendered. You then asked for specifics why, but weren't willing to provide any specifics of your own when asked. It's tit for tat around here, and nobody is required to render any opinions. Clearly there was a misunderstanding as to what kind of situation you were presenting, and it should be understandable for people to clam up when something smells fishy (as a result of the misunderstanding).

And by the way, there is a sub-forum specifically for autos (link at the top of the page). Also, being demanding and insulting to people offering free advice is generally considered bad form.

[chaddurbin]

you are being very vague when it comes to critical information being given, and everyone can see through it. who is the company? if they're reputable they should have no problem giving you the jsa cert so you can verify with spence yourself. no one here believes it's a jsa piece, that's why they're being suspicious. you being evasive doesn't help your case any. bringing in your "son" doesn't make you any more sympathetic.

[Westsiders]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

you are being very vague when it comes to critical information being given, and everyone can see through it. who is the company? if they're reputable they should have no problem giving you the jsa cert so you can verify with spence yourself. no one here believes it's a jsa piece, that's why they're being suspicious. you being evasive doesn't help your case any. bringing in your "son" doesn't make you any more sympathetic.

Vague???

I've explained the entire situation. If I had the cert I would post it. This very reputable card company assured me that it's JSA certified.

And for those asking why I don't list the card companies name....it's to protect myself. If I came in here blasting this card company, what leverage would that leave me with? Remember, I'm still waiting for the replacement card. As it stands, I'm out a lot of $$, with no Ruth auto card to show for it. The card company agreed to show me the replacement auto before puting it in a card....and that is where the auto (photo'd) comes from. They have assured me that it's JSA certified...and it would be crazy for them to falsify that (simply wouldn't do it).

Like I said, I'm new here, so maybe there underlying circumstances that I'm not familiar...but set ups?? Really?? Why in the world would I make this story up?

[GrayGhost]

Nowhere near as knowledgeable as most on here, but for starters:

The B is hideous. the way the autograph trails off down and to the right is atypical most times, the a in Babe looks off to me, as does the h at the end.

Whether people do or don't like JSA, there is NO WAY they would certify that. If the card company can't provide a LETTER/PHOTO showing that item as certified by them, I would tell them they r being fraudulent and DEMAND A refund. Its a garbage Ruth, plain and simple.

Some of the most disrespected authenticators around wouldn't certify that. JSA surely wouldn't. So, if u r being honest with us, I'm being honest as to what you should do.

Scott Roberts

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

So let me get this straight...

If it's JSA certified then it's real. But all the "experts" in this chat room will only render an opinion if they have a cert to go along with it. Please....

Very disappointed in this chat room. All you guys support each other in not being willing to give a detailed opinion. Doesn't take much expertise to say "don't like it" or "no good".
Once more explanation is asked for, you guys say "set up". WHHHHYYYY would someone set you up????? For what benefit???? This is silly.

And the "set up" and "wasting our time" comments are simply ridiculous.

You guys win.

You beat the new guy looking for help.

Chill out man. Nobody likes the autograph.. How you got anything else out of the posts is beyond me. Perhaps you should collect something else. The concern was that you were saying it was JSA certed. I don't believe JSA certed this..PERIOD. I don't think it is real and I think JSA would agree. Clear enough? This is my opinion anyway...for what it is worth. Also, how can a card company rely on a JSA CERT they have not produced? No one owes you anything.

[Westsiders]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Chill out man. Nobody likes the autograph.. How you got anything else out of the posts is beyond me. Perhaps you should collect something else. The concern was that you were saying it was JSA certed. I don't believe JSA certed this..PERIOD. I don't think it is real and I think JSA would agree. Clear enough? This is my opinion anyway...for what it is worth. Also, how can a card company rely on a JSA CERT they have not produced? No one owes you anything.

Guys...all the major card companies rely on third party authenticators (almost always JSA and PSA/DNA). None do there own "in-house" authentications....it transfers liability (for cases just like this).

[Westsiders]

Originally Posted by travrosty

if you cant post a picture of the cert, then quit wasting everyone's time. it hasnt been verified as jsa certified if you havent seen the cert or cant show it to people. i am not a fan of jsa, but you have to be fair when calling it a jsa certified item. its always the autograph that is important, and the cert shouldn't matter when getting people's opinion of good vs. bad, but you can't say something is abc or xyz certified when you dont have proof. proof is a photo or copy of the LOA so we can SEE it! Why does this smell of a set up?

We've been in this hobby too long to have our time wasted.

it is a jsa certified if it has a jsa cert, if you dont have or cant get a picture of the jsa cert, then its not jsa certified. period. in this hobby, you trust but verify.

Set up??? Really???

I'm a consumer trying to protect myself.

And you've "been in the hobby too long" to have your "time wasted".
You're in a freaking chat room...get over yourself.

[thecatspajamas]

Okay, so when you say "card company," you mean "card manufacturer," not a "card dealer" as I think everyone here (myself included) thought you meant. Totally different situation.