Heritage Hypocrisy

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

OK, thanks. I'm learning more. Is it not true that this ball is most certainly a 1927 model? Is that the 1 in 3 that you speak of?


Do you think it's a bad/hypocritical thing that this information was posted by Heritage, as others here seem to be arguing?

I'm only learning this stuff through googling I did today, and I could certainly have made errors. According to Heritage, it is a 1927 model. I have no reason to believe they are incorrect. Whoops - misread your post. The '1 in 3' I mentioned is the odds of a forger choosing the correct ball from the limited information he would have had pre-1999. I don't necessarily agree with Heritage that a forger wouldn't have been able to narrow his odds down to 1 in 1. We really don't know.

No, it's great that they posted the information. I don't see it as hypocritical - I just see it as unintentionally using fallacious logic. It's human and not intentionally misleading (in my opinion).

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm only learning this stuff through googling I did today, and I could certainly have made errors. According to Heritage, it is a 1927 model. I have no reason to believe they are incorrect. Whoops - misread your post. The '1 in 3' I mentioned is the odds of a forger choosing the correct ball from the limited information he would have had pre-1999. I don't necessarily agree with Heritage that a forger wouldn't have been able to narrow his odds down to 1 in 1. We really don't know.

No, it's great that they posted the information. I don't see it as hypocritical - I just see it as unintentionally using fallacious logic. It's human and not intentionally misleading (in my opinion).

Cool. I also think that the '1 in 3' thing isn't really relevent, because I see no reason to believe, even given a 1927 rosters of signers, that a 1927 ball would have a greater chance of being authentic than a 1926 ball.

I read this latest posting from them not as THE argument that the ball is authentic, but as them attempting to cover their butts. Whoops, we didn't do this with those other balls, but look at this! We have (now, after the fact) done it with this one!

They are still coupling the appropriacy of the ball with the TPAs to make an argument of authenticity, which is the more problematic issue given that the Gehrig ball had those letters as well.

[shelly]

I also think we should look at the total list of Nash vs Heritage. What do you think the chances are that one or more might be pulled.
I have to tell you that I have told Peter that I would not help them in any way until the auction was over. It is not his job or anyone else to help the third largest auction house in the world. No one is getting paid except there experts. They have never thanked anyone for helping them. Instead they make us out to be the fools. /ˌkæviːɑːt ˈɛmptɔr/) That should be Heritage's motto.

[Runscott]

I can't imagine helping Nash with anything, but it's obvious that by discussing these items here, we ARE helping him:

Historically, about a week after we have discussed something to death, Nash writes a blog about it, using all of our arguments, but each one now comes from a mysterious expert, or from himself. When he does actually give the expert's name, he's still published the idea after we already came up with it, so I'm sure he just finds someone who agrees with us and then publishes it as if it's the result of his own research.

Pretty deplorable, not just as a human, but also as regards writing integrity.

[shelly]

Scott, I did not help him. I said the way you make the biggest impact is to let the item sell. By telling Heritage before it happens only makes them look good. I said it on the last thread if you can not say who the person is do not quote them. This is how the country does business by saying some one said something but I cant tell you who.
I do have to say that not matter what you think of him he has helped save people a great deal of money.

[Runscott]

Wayne, here's a site with info on dating baseballs: http://keymancollectibles.com/offici...uebaseball.htm

Also, I found other 1927 balls with the stitches reversed - no rhyme or reason to that.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by shelly

I said it on the last thread if you can not say who the person is do not quote them. This is how the country does business by saying some one said something buy I cant tell you who.

Right you are, Shelly!

(Too bad your good buddy doesn't agree with you.)

[shelly]

You just did it yourself. Who are you talking about. I have lots of good buddy's

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by shelly

Scott, I did not help him. I said the way you make the biggest impact is to let the item sell. By telling Heritage before it happens only makes them look good. I said it on the last thread if you can not say who the person is do not quote them. This is how the country does business by saying some one said something but I cant tell you who.
I do have to say that not matter what you think of him he has helped save people a great deal of money.

we (me and mark) just let the boxing items sell now, we used to help, they didnt appreciate it,

they would just take credit for our experience and our bailing them out and they didnt want to listen. they were patronizing and said that we didnt understand how big auction houses work so basically buzz off. we did buzz off. now the items just sell and then they can handle the returns and refunds and the embarrassment. we were more than happy to help below the radar in private if they would just appreciate it. they didn't. they had an attitude about it and now we are banned and couldn't be happier. the bad boxing just sells with abc and xyz certs. that's what they get.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by shelly

I also think we should look at the total list of Nash vs Heritage. What do you think the chances are that one or more might be pulled.
I have to tell you that I have told Peter that I would not help them in any way until the auction was over. It is not his job or anyone else to help the third largest auction house in the world. No one is getting paid except there experts. They have never thanked anyone for helping them. Instead they make us out to be the fools. /ˌkæviːɑːt ˈɛmptɔr/) That should be Heritage's motto.

Why would Heritage pull any of them? Because Peter Nash says that some unnamed experts have made fun of these items? I love what Nash and people on this board are doing, but this is opinion versus opinion.