Another IDIOTIC ebayer!

[vintagetoppsguy]

It looks like he used the Value Estimator on T206.org



"IDIOTIC ebayer" or not, what made you feel like you had to insult him, call him names and start a thread about it?

Why not take the time to educate him?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

"IDIOTIC ebayer" or not, what made you feel like you had to insult him, call him names and start a thread about it?

Why not take the time to educate him?

I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

+1 big time....

[brob28]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

Agreed.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

This^

Your response to him was really what started it and was simply uncalled for. Looks like he did do some "homework" and came up with $420 from an online T206 source. Whether that's really the price somebody is willing to pay or not is irrelevant, you simply should have just explained yourself in a professional manner and declined if you didn't want to sell. Or like has been mentioned, have Ebay set up for automatic offer decline if you have a bare bottom number in mind.

[wonkaticket]

Dan, was the card seriously under-graded?

Did you publish your phone number and demand him to call you and or ask him if he has ever owned a jock?

Did you lowball him on the item and then when it didn’t work out come on a public chat board and slam his cards as over-graded garbage?

Did you explain that you’re most likely one of the top 5 T206 collectors of Net54?

If not those are options that you can try as well in the future vs. calling him an idiot.

[sb1]

I only have one question, was there or was there not any Ketel involved when you replied to this nice ebayer.

[quinnsryche]

What is it with all the name calling when an ebay issue comes up? That's the second one this week. Eveyone please relax and don't take everything so personally when your deal doesn't go just like you want it to.

[danmckee]

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals!

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by sb1

I only have one question, was there or was there not any Ketel involved when you replied to this nice ebayer.

How do you know I drink Ketel One?

That is disturbing

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by danmckee

How do you know I drink Ketel One?

That is disturbing

Hey Danny,

Maybe you and Scott went to a ball game together sometime back.

BTW, there is an April 24 1 o'clock day game vs the Cardinals. Might be a good day for you to play hooky and come down here to catch it. It'll probably be cold but the Ketel should take care of that.

[Matthew H]

Haha, what an idiot. Dan, where do you find these guys?

[William Todd]

Serenity now!

[danmckee]

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Dan, was the card seriously under-graded?

Did you publish your phone number and demand him to call you and or ask him if he has ever owned a jock?

Did you lowball him on the item and then when it didn’t work out come on a public chat board and slam his cards as over-graded garbage?

Did you explain that you’re most likely one of the top 5 T206 collectors of Net54?

If not those are options that you can try as well in the future vs. calling him an idiot.

Wonka, u owe me a trip to Baltimore with some toy promos, when can we make that happen?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Wonka, u owe me a trip to Baltimore with some toy promos, when can we make that happen?

Whenever you accept my $300 dollar offer from today on your Lenox.

Call me in the AM lets set a time already.

I agree with Dan grumpy or not common sense says if a card is listed for $7k you don’t offer a few hundred bucks…it is a little insulting.

Besides if the guy did the research on the t206.org site that brought him to this insane price. He could also have done or did additional research on other sites and past eBay sales and see that Lenox cards don’t sell for 3-4 hundred dollars especially hall of fame players.

Sort of like me using Google to look up T206 Wagner’s and pulling the 80k price from 15 years ago on one and offering that today on the same card. Guy didn’t look up Lenox and find only that one site and historical price I’m not buying it.

Cheers,

John

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Sort of like me using Google to look up T206 Wagner’s and pulling the 80k price from 15 years ago on one and offering that today on the same card. Guy didn’t look up Lenox and find only that one site and historical price I’m not buying it.

Cheers,

John

Well Andrew is selling a Wagner for $75k, so I think those prices are still relevant.

[danmckee]

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals!

[boysblue]

Just foolin' or 'roid rage?

[autograf]

Dan's an HGH guy, no roids.........

[bigtrain]

There are a lot of casual collectors, as opposed to those hopelessly addicted to the monster, who don't have a clue as to scarce backs. There really is no accurate price guide, in book form or online, from which such a buyer could educate himself. Look at T206.org and you'll get a price of a few hundred bucks. Look at the SCD Vintage catalog and the card is worth maybe $100 times a multiplier of 10 to 15x for the back. SMR says its a $75 card in good condition. You really have to know past auction prices to know the value of Dan's card. Most casual collectors will not do that much research.

[Jay Wolt]

Tom, true!
But the guy offered Dan 5% of what the card was listed for.
W/ such a disparity, he should have researched the value prior to making the offer.
Does anyone expect any seller to discount a lot at 95% off their asking price?

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Tom, true!
But the guy offered Dan 5% of what the card was listed for.
W/ such a disparity, he should have researched the value prior to making the offer.
Does anyone expect any seller to discount a lot at 95% off their asking price?

Actually yes...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ken-Griffey-...item257412b855

[Matthew H]

I'm not sure why people are defending this clown. You wouldn't walk into the National and offer a dealer $300 on $7500 price tag, why is it ok on eBay? I'm also not buying the "stupid collector" theory, if he didn't know about backs (which is impossible at this point) then why is he interested in paying $300 for a $100 front. I personally think he was just being a d!ck.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Tom, true!
But the guy offered Dan 5% of what the card was listed for.
W/ such a disparity, he should have researched the value prior to making the offer.
Does anyone expect any seller to discount a lot at 95% off their asking price?

there are 20 million dollar domain listings you can purchase for 10 bucks....especially in the porn business. many people all day post rediculous prices for their stuff.

the arguments for and against are cut and dry. the only thing this thread is doing is keeping this ridiculous conversation about how dan may or may not be a dick alive.

stop humoring his ridiculous threads and his attitude will stop. he clearly needs the attention.

kevin

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Most casual collectors will not do that much research.

But they will think that a seller who has a card listed for $7,500 will accept $300? I can understand Dan's reaction. I don't generally make offers of less than 50% of the seller's asking price. Sure, the item may be only worth 30%, but I assume the seller has a value in mind that's too high for me and I am not going to waste our collective energy.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It looks like he used the Value Estimator on T206.org



"IDIOTIC ebayer" or not, what made you feel like you had to insult him, call him names and start a thread about it?

Why not take the time to educate him?

+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy. he probably made as ridiculous of a offer as he thought the offered price was...or am i missing something about that logic?

kevin

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy.

kevin

U have a serious hair up ur ass for me don't you?

I am sorry you don't agree with my business ethics Kevin

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy. he probably made as ridiculous of a offer as he thought the offered price was...or am i missing something about that logic?

kevin

If the price is ridiculous, move on and don't start trouble?

How about that?

Jealousy is a nasty evil pal

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy. he probably made as ridiculous of a offer as he thought the offered price was...or am i missing something about that logic?

kevin

How many T206 Hall of Famer Lenox backs do you have for sale at $425?

that is what I thought

[danmckee]

Who runs T206.org?

I will buy all of their Lenox Back Chance cards at $1K each

[thehoodedcoder]

5 or 6 single sentance posts in a row? Can't you form a single concise post. Every time you rage like a freaking idiot you start slamming a post like you are trying to get it to the next page or something.....

Jealous. You can't be serious. Remove your own penis from your own mouth GUY. I chose whole heartedly to NOT be like you. I don't care if you are venting. Im not alone when I say you acted like a dick to the guy...and its not the first time.

Maybe you are what you eat then... huh?

Kevin Quinn

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

5 or 6 single sentance posts in a row? Can't you form a single consice post. every time you rage like a freaking idiot you start slamming a post like you are trying to get it to the next page or something.....

Jealous. You can't be serious. Remove your own penis from your own mouth GUY. I chose whole heartedly to NOT be like you. I don't care if you are venting. Im not alone when I say you acted like a dick to the guy...and its not the first time.

Maybe you are what you eat then huh?

Kevin Quinn

ok, when I grow up, I would like to be like you then

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by danmckee

ok, when I grow up, I would like to be like you then

Yes. For God's sake. Grow up.

Kevin

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

5 or 6 single sentance posts in a row? Can't you form a single concise post. Every time you rage like a freaking idiot you start slamming a post like you are trying to get it to the next page or something.....

Jealous. You can't be serious. Remove your own penis from your own mouth GUY. I chose whole heartedly to NOT be like you. I don't care if you are venting. Im not alone when I say you acted like a dick to the guy...and its not the first time.

Maybe you are what you eat then... huh?

Kevin Quinn

Kev relax my man, you're not making it any better, lol.

The entertainment value of this thread has just shot up a notch....

[danmckee]

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals

[cobblove]

how many will you buy at 7500?

[danmckee]

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals!

[bbsports]

Hey Dan- We have done card business a long time ago. I respect you as a dealer. For all your years of experience, you are going to get people that may know T206 cards, but lack the knowledge in scarce backs. I know the guy very well who ticked you off. He really is a good person & a good collector, but needs to learn about these scarce backs. When I see him at the next card show in my area, I will speak to him about this matter & try to further educate his knowledge in scarce T206 backs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bbsports

Hey Dan- We have done card business a long time ago. I respect you as a dealer. For all your years of experience, you are going to get people that may know T206 cards, but lack the knowledge in scarce backs. I know the guy very well who ticked you off. He really is a good person & a good collector, but needs to learn about these scarce backs. When I see him at the next card show in my area, I will speak to him about this matter & try to further educate his knowledge in scarce T206 backs.

If the guy didnt know what he was talking about he should have been asking dan to explain his price, not lecturing him. So Dan gets a little ticked off from time to time. Not a big deal.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by bbsports

Hey Dan- We have done card business a long time ago. I respect you as a dealer. For all your years of experience, you are going to get people that may know T206 cards, but lack the knowledge in scarce backs. I know the guy very well who ticked you off. He really is a good person & a good collector, but needs to learn about these scarce backs. When I see him at the next card show in my area, I will speak to him about this matter & try to further educate his knowledge in scarce T206 backs.

That is cool, but to be fair, why make a $300 offer on a $7500 listing even if the item is only worth $2.00. You just don't do that my friend. Not cool.

A seller has every right to ask what they want, if it is ridiculous to the buyer, either send an email or move on. making stupid offers just causes problems.

If he is cool than I am more than happy to help him in any way.

thanks
dan