Mastro Judge Strikes Down Plea Agreement

[Leon]

I was told today that my statement I made in this thread seems to be racist. I am far from a racist in my opinion and was merely describing how I felt those 2 individuals believe they have been ridiculed because of their race. It's sort of like saying someone is racist and being called a racist for stating the opinion of someone else being racist. At any rate, I don't take any of this personally. I am not the one trying to persuade the world my card is real when it's obviously not. And as far as anyone disagreeing with me about O'keefe, that is fine too. Just make sure your name is public and say what you want to. (per the open rules of course)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

I was told today that my statement I made in this thread seems to be racist. I am far from a racist in my opinion and was merely describing how I felt those 2 individuals believe they have been ridiculed because of their race. It's sort of like saying someone is racist and being called a racist for stating the opinion. At any rate, I don't take any of this personally. I am not the one trying to persuade the world my card is real when it's obviously not. And as far as anyone disagreeing with me about O'keefe, that is fine too. Just make sure your name is public and say what you want to. (per the open rules of course)

O'Keefe apparently feels that it is okay for you to disagree with someone as long as they are of your skin color. If they are not, then you are a racist.

But by putting such logic into practice, Mr. O'Keefe is failing to treat all people equally, thus making him the actual racist - by definition.

As long as he picks up the check half the time, and he's pleasant to talk with, I guess it's okay.

[ctownboy]

Correct me if I am wrong but from what I remember about the ORIGINAL thread concerning the Cobb/Edwards Wagner, the people on this board were saying it was fake and giving reasons WHY it was fake and nothing else.

THEN, either Cobb or Edwards came on the board and started arguing with people as to WHY the card, in their opinion, was real. After they were told it was fake and AGAIN given the reasons WHY, they pulled the race card and said something to the effect that the reason why this board didn't want the card to be authentic was because the people on this board were mostly white, wealthy men and thus didn't want a couple of African Americans to be able to join their club.

After that, the board unloaded on Cobb or Edwards for bringing race into the matter when it hadn't been brought up before.

If I am wrong or, like Andy Pettitte, "misremembering" then someone can correct me.

David Smith

[tiger8mush]

some of you are good w/photoshop. Can someone create a picture of two white guys holding the the Cobb/Edwards Wagner? Make sure the two appear like "white, upper-class guys with plenty of disposable income". Maybe that will change our minds on the card and it will suddenly look real!

[ctownboy]

Also, I can't wait until March 5 to watch the show that this card is going to be featured on. If (more like when) the card is deemed to be a fake, I want to see what O'Keefe writes. I also can't wait to see how long it takes Cobb/Edwards to file a lawsuit against the show or come out and say race, again, had something to do with the card being fake.

David Smith

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Also, I can't wait until March 5 to watch the show that this card is going to be featured on. If (more like when) the card is deemed to be a fake, I want to see what O'Keefe writes. I also can't wait to see how long it takes Cobb/Edwards to file a lawsuit against the show or come out and say race, again, had something to do with the card being fake.

David Smith

I would guess that it was determined to be fake. Otherwise Cobb or Edwards would've probably said something by now.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Also, I can't wait until March 5 to watch the show that this card is going to be featured on. If (more like when) the card is deemed to be a fake, I want to see what O'Keefe writes.

David Smith

Maybe O'Keeffe will be decent enough to send some flowers. It's the least he could do after all of the source material Cobb and Edwards have provided him...not to mention his several television appearances as an "expert" commentator on the Cobb/Edwards saga. In the meantime, I think I've got a possible lead for O'Keeffe's next, big expose:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...f40e43548.html

[ctownboy]

I only smoke 4 the cards,

That or the producers of the show made them sign a confidentiality agreement so that they couldn't say anything until after the show was broadcast. OR, maybe the producers haven't told them at all. Maybe the producers are going to show the tape of what testing was done and THEN go live and reveal the results to Cobb and Edwards.

David

[MW1]

I find it unusual that Michael O'Keeffe writes so many articles about dealers and collectors like Bill Mastro and Peter Nash and all of the fraud they have perpetuated and yet the alleged #1 perpetrator--perhaps the king of fraudulent memorabilia--Barry Halper--gets a pass. If O'Keeffe has the time to write an article about how Bill Mastro is "still buying cards on eBay" (source: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...chases-on-ebay), surely he has the wherewithal to scribble a few lines about the millions of dollars of fake jerseys, autographs, etc. that Halper sold to private individuals and the Baseball Hall of Fame, doesn't he?

Examples: http://deadspin.com/5818225/the-down...-bernie-madoff

“Given the evidence that has come to light in the past several years, the Hall of Fame should immediately reconsider the naming of that gallery to honor Barry Halper. I do not think he deserves the honor.” ~ Fay Vincent, Former Commissioner of Major League Baseball

http://www.guerrillaexplorer.com/mys...f-memorabilia/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/s...Ck0tZrKbJX1dXN

[Ladder7]

O'Keefe was looking for some buzz for that article, and got it. Class A doosh.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by MW1

... If O'Keeffe has the time to write an article about how Bill Mastro is "still buying cards on eBay" (source: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...chases-on-ebay), surely he has the wherewithal to ...

Somewhat off-topic, but I believe I did sell 2-3 cards to Bill Mastro last year (a couple of Goudey PSA 4's and a Goudey PSA 7, I believe). I didn't think it was actually THE Bill Mastro, but just someone else who had the same name from Illinois. However, after reading that article, I think it might be the same person. I did see the PSA 7 get resold a few months later as a part a high grade set break on probstein.

[MW1]

Leon,

Could you ask Michael O'Keeffe about the following?

Halper was a close personal friend of Daily News reporter Bill Madden, who acted throughout the years as Halper’s unofficial press agent. The Daily News has intentionally not reported about the Halper scandals because of Madden’s close ties to the former Yankee limited partner. In fact, reporter O’Keeffe has gone as far as reporting that the documentation of instances of sales of fraudulent artifacts by Halper are simply “accusations.”

In their book, “The Card,” Thompson and O’Keeffe lauded Halper as “The Babe Ruth of sports memorabilia,” and described the “truly historic” items in his collection including “Shoeless Joe Jackson’s Black Betsy bat,” and “Ty Cobb’s dentures and rifle Cobb’s mother used to shoot his father.” All of those items used as examples of Halper’s “Cooperstown South,” however, have been determined to be fraudulent artifacts as a result of investigative reports written by Haulsofshame.com and SABR researcher Ron Cobb.

Edited to add source: http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?m=201207

[Exhibitman]

No one here went after the fake Wagner guys over race. We were not on their side not because they were black but because they were idiots. Quintessentially American idiots, by the way, the same kind who fuel the growth of lottery sales, casino slots, and reality talent shows--but not libraries. It is so much easier to be ignorant and self-righteous than to learn something and lose hope. Then again, they went from two working class doophuses in Ohio to national media attention and reality tv. Winning!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

Somewhat off-topic, but I believe I did sell 2-3 cards to Bill Mastro last year (a couple of Goudey PSA 4's and a Goudey PSA 7, I believe). I didn't think it was actually THE Bill Mastro, but just someone else who had the same name from Illinois. However, after reading that article, I think it might be the same person. I did see the PSA 7 get resold a few months later as a part a high grade set break on probstein.

Why would anyone care if Mastro was buying cards? If he got accused of not paying a supplier for a restaurant he owned, would people get upset if he continued to eat?

[drc]

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[kateighty]

Props to the judge. Who knows the judge and their clerk(s) just might be reading this.

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by MW1

yet the alleged #1 perpetrator--perhaps the king of fraudulent memorabilia--Barry Halper--gets a pass.

If it wasn't nailed down, it wound up in Halper's collection. The man had no scruples or integrity. The hobby still suffers for it.

Bill

[Exhibitman]

As far as Halper goes, let's not forget that he's dead. He doesn't interview well and the Feds would have a heck of a time digging him up for hearings. Just doesn't make for compelling tv. Now, if he had a fake Wagner he could take onto a reality show...

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Leon

I was told today that my statement I made in this thread seems to be racist. I am far from a racist in my opinion and was merely describing how I felt those 2 individuals believe they have been ridiculed because of their race. It's sort of like saying someone is racist and being called a racist for stating the opinion of someone else being racist. At any rate, I don't take any of this personally. I am not the one trying to persuade the world my card is real when it's obviously not. And as far as anyone disagreeing with me about O'keefe, that is fine too. Just make sure your name is public and say what you want to. (per the open rules of course)

I didn't read what you said as being racist Leon.

The "race card" is getting old...........

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I didn't read what you said as being racist Leon.

The "race card" is getting old...........

Sincerely, Clayton

Actually, it is O'keefe who told me I was being racist. But I don't care if the guys are green (in the Marine Corps there is no color except green, everyone is either light green or dark green), blue, white, yellow or whatever. The card is still fake (at least the front of Wags is anyway) as Dolly Parton's boobies, regardless of it's owner.

And PS.....Mike W, Mike O. sends his regards.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Leon

Actually, it is O'keefe who told me I was being racist. But I don't care if the guys are green (in the Marine Corps there is no color except green, everyone is either light green or dark green), blue, white, yellow or whatever. The card is still fake (at least the front of Wags is anyway) as Dolly Parton's boobies, regardless of it's owner.

And PS.....Mike W, Mike O. sends his regards.

+1

Sincerely, Clayton

[Al C.risafulli]

Wait. Dolly Parton's boobies are fake?

-Al

[Exhibitman]

Who's "Dolly Parton"?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

The card is still fake (at least the front of Wags is anyway) as Dolly Parton's boobies, regardless of it's owner.

And PS.....Mike W, Mike O. sends his regards.

The Wagner isn't as old as Parton's boobies, and more parts of hers are real.

[slidekellyslide]

Can someone find that old thread and post a link...I do recall it, but can't seem to find it in the archives.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Can someone find that old thread and post a link...I do recall it, but can't seem to find it in the archives.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=81887&

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=81898&

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=81976&

[Leon]

Concerning my comment in this thread pertaining to O'Keefe saying I was a racist. I interpreted what he said that way but that is not what he meant or said. We were talking about a racist word and that is what I thought he meant. It wasn't.