PM1 Ornate Frame Pinbacks

[ctownboy]

My question about this pinback wasn't concerning him in a batting stance but WHY was he in the set to begin with?

If this set came out in 1915, then Ruth had only appeared in a total of 4 Games in 1914. So, unless this set came out after the 1915 season ended, then the people putting this set together, in my opinion, wouldn't have had much reason to include Ruth.

Also, I don't see his name underneath the photo. According to the Old Cardboard website, only two PM1's are known to NOT have a name under the photo; Chief Bender and Johnny Kling. Ruth is listed but nothing is said about his NOT having his name under the photo.

David

[ullmandds]

I was thinking similar thought...while the image resembles ruth how do we know for sure it is him?

[glchen]

I think it's Ruth, but I was also wondering if the date was correct. It looks like the same image in the pin as this iconic Ruth photo. Does anyone know the dating for the photo?

[Bicem]

Had no idea there was a Ruth in that set.

I'm sure more date research could be done by looking at uniform styles, would not surprise me at all if 1915 is incorrect.

[ullmandds]

SO comparing to the photo to the pin...what should Ruth's jersey say...Boston?

[drc]

I don't know about the other details, but the guy in the pin is Babe Ruth. It's an issue of famous baseball players, and that certainly ain't Walter Johnson.

[nolemmings]

Perhaps they released these pins over a span of years. I see where one of the Pins (lot #13) is an Evers with Chicago designation-- he hadn't played for the Cubs since 1913. Maybe the pins with no names were issued in different (later) years than those with names.

It does look like Ruth in a Red Sox uniform though. Moreover, Okkonen's uniform database says Boston wore pinstripes when showing "Red Sox" in 1916 and 1917, but plain/solid backgrounds in 1915, and this pin looks to lack pinstripes.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by glchen

I think it's Ruth, but I was also wondering if the date was correct. It looks like the same image in the pin as this iconic Ruth photo. Does anyone know the dating for the photo?

I found the Conlon photo from an old Legendary auction, and according to the auction, the photo is from c.1918. Link

[autograf]

My understanding is that pin was only found in the last 2-3-4 years and was privately sold before it could go to auction. About 6-8 of those in that auction were mine sold to him via an intermediary. I don't see how something like that could be faked or created but nothing's impossible anymore I guess. A very neat pinback. To my knowledge, one of a kind.

[Jlighter]

Looks like Mr. Nash has commented.

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=16105#more-16105

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

Looks like Mr. Nash has commented.

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=16105#more-16105

Now here's a prime example of something we discussed the other day.
-Begin cranky old guy
It's Loupe, not loop. If he's going to hold himself out as a high end expert getting at least the terminology of the tools of the trade right matters.
-End cranky old guy

When will he do the obvious companion article that looks at wether the issue date is solidly 1915 or the set was issued over a period of a few years.

If some of the other photos are Conlons, it should be fairly easy to get dates.

Steve B