Please sign Mr Jeter - NY Times article about collecting Jeter in Fla

[HRBAKER]

On a positive note wasn't there a story sometime back about him sending women home from his place with an autographed baseball? Or am I confusing the playa?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...Rz3KsCwUDzPjWA

[Scott Garner]

Derek Jeter, what a giver...

Jeff, you are correct that Derek sends the women that he beds home with a fabulous parting gift- an autographed Derek Jeter baseball!! Whoopee!

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Derek Jeter, what a giver...

Jeff, you are correct that Derek sends the women that he beds home with a fabulous parting gift- an autographed Derek Jeter baseball!! Whoopee!

Well there you go, somedays he is a gracious signer!

[David Atkatz]

He's got a supply of those baseballs pre-inscribed, on his bedside table... "To what was your name again?, Sincerely, Derek Jeter"

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

He's got a supply of those baseballs pre-inscribed, on his bedside table... "To what was your name again?, Sincerely, Derek Jeter"

Brooks Robinson needs to smack this Jeter guy upside the head, but he's too nice a guy to do it.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Brooks Robinson needs to smack this Jeter guy upside the head, but he's too nice a guy to do it.

YOu could ask ARod to do it but he would miss.

[travrosty]

two more guys who were bombarded for their autograph every day but didnt seem to act like morons.

joe louis -signed for over 40 years, his son said he cant remember ever going out with his dad where he wasnt constantly asked for his autograph, every time they ever ate out together.

another - jack dempsey, as popular as babe ruth back in the 20's, signed for over 60 years, i have never heard of him treating his fans like a jerk, because he is jack dempsey, he accomodated the fans.

jeter could take notes.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

YOu could ask ARod to do it but he would miss.

LOL

[EvilKing00]

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Jim F

His "fans" aren't the ones in line for the most part. I live in downtown Toronto. A block from the Air Canada Center where the NBA and NHL teams play, and also a block from the hockey hall of fame. It's always the same faces with binders of stuff standing out there every time something is going on. I can tell if a team is staying at a certain hotel just by the same clowns standing outside. I see his point.

yes it's getting worse and worse and this has become a job to many of these people.

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

them are fighting words to yankees fans.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

How is he overrated? One of the greatest Yankees ever, let alone a model of consistency on the field as well.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

How is he overrated? One of the greatest Yankees ever, let alone a model of consistency on the field as well.

looking at his numbers:

Jeter - 255 HR - 313 batting average - 348 SB - 1254 rbi - Good player -
very good player. Not a middle of the order guy, also not a lead off guy and very good #2 hitter.

you know who has almost the same exact numbers with half the at bats - Nomar Garciaparra - 229 HR, 313 average - 936 rbi (about half the at bats)

or even Clemente - 317 / 240hr

larry walker - 313 / 383hr

edger martinez - 312 / 309 hr

tod helton was a way better hitter, 320 -354

Magglio Ordonez - 309 / 294 hr

tim ranes - had a 295 average, 170 RH and over 800 SB

you cant compare him to guys like this - Mantle, Joe D, Berra, Ruth, Mattingly, winfield, maris, gehrig, Rickey Henderson

Yes a 313 average is very good, 3000 hits... yea sure thats good too, but hes played 18 seasons, hes a "singles" hitter usually with a few of the best power hitters in the game hitting behind him ALL his life. I dont remember a time when he was even the best SS in the game let alone the best player.





there are tons of very good players with a 310-315 average with 250-300 hr,

[BigJJ]

Jeter comes through in the clutch too, particularly at post season time.
Both offense and defense. Hard to measure in statistics.
5 Championships

And you have left off career hits. Jeter has hit .313 over a long period of time

And 5 Gold Gloves

Lets hope he stays in the game many more years and dislodges Rose.
I understand this may be very wishful thinking but Rose played until he was 45.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by BigJJ

Jeter comes through in the clutch too, particularly at post season time.
Both offense and defense. Hard to measure in statistics.

And you have left off career hits. Jeter has hit .313 over a long period of time

And 5 Gold Gloves

Lets hope he stays in the game many more years and dislodges Rose.
I understand this may be very wishful thinking

i did mention his 3000 hits and the 18 seasons hes played so far too.

As for his 5 gold gloves.....5 dosnt cut it

Keith Hernandez 11
Don Mattingly 9
Ryne Sandberg 9
Robin Ventura had 6
Mike Schmidt 10
Ozzie Smith 13
Luis Aparicio 9
Omar Vizquel 9

Id compare him to a yount / molitor player. Nothing wrong with that as they are both very good players, but far from what some people think of him

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Id compare him to a yount / molitor player. Nothing wrong with that as they are both very good players, but far from what some people think of him

that's exactly what baseball reference has in his top 5 comparable players.

Biggio
Molitor
Alomar
Yount
Gehringer

All credible Hall of Famers, just like Jeter.

Yankees fans and national media hoist Jeter above those in this list, but if Biggio had been a Yankee and Jeter an Astro, we could very likely see Jeter sitting out of the Hall after his first ballot, too, because he wouldn't have the rings or the constant front page stories that he has now.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

i did mention his 3000 hits and the 18 seasons hes played so far too.

As for his 5 gold gloves.....5 dosnt cut it

Keith Hernandez 11
Don Mattingly 9
Ryne Sandberg 9
Robin Ventura had 6
Mike Schmidt 10
Ozzie Smith 13
Luis Aparicio 9
Omar Vizquel 9

Id compare him to a yount / molitor player. Nothing wrong with that as they are both very good players, but far from what some people think of him

You have no what you're talking about. Measuring GG's is a joke. Your comparison with the other players is laughable because they are not even the same position, and you're comparing pure power hitters vs non, etc.

Funny how you say he's only a 'singles hitter' when he's ahead of WILLIE MAYS!!! When it's all said and done, Jeter will be a top 20 or even top 10 for more careers doubles. Yeah, guess he only hits singles though.

And don't even get me started how clutch he is. Do some research and really think twice about what you say before making yourself sound like an idiot.

[chaddurbin]

i would agree jeter is a little overrated because he plays in new york, but he's still a credible hof'er and one of the best ss ever. you can't compare his stat at a premium defensive position to guys who play 1b or corner of spots where offensive production can easily be replaced or replicated.

as for the argument in this thread just like the tom brady charges $600/sig people sees things differently and i'm not gonna sweat it anymore.

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

looking at his numbers:

Jeter - 255 HR - 313 batting average - 348 SB - 1254 rbi - Good player -
very good player. Not a middle of the order guy, also not a lead off guy and very good #2 hitter.

you know who has almost the same exact numbers with half the at bats - Nomar Garciaparra - 229 HR, 313 average - 936 rbi (about half the at bats)

or even Clemente - 317 / 240hr

larry walker - 313 / 383hr

edger martinez - 312 / 309 hr

tod helton was a way better hitter, 320 -354

Magglio Ordonez - 309 / 294 hr

tim ranes - had a 295 average, 170 RH and over 800 SB

you cant compare him to guys like this - Mantle, Joe D, Berra, Ruth, Mattingly, winfield, maris, gehrig, Rickey Henderson

Yes a 313 average is very good, 3000 hits... yea sure thats good too, but hes played 18 seasons, hes a "singles" hitter usually with a few of the best power hitters in the game hitting behind him ALL his life. I dont remember a time when he was even the best SS in the game let alone the best player.





there are tons of very good players with a 310-315 average with 250-300 hr,

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

How is he overrated? One of the greatest Yankees ever, let alone a model of consistency on the field as well.

a model of consistency tripping over his own feet, injuring himself in the playoffs after a come back season....Typical pussy baseball player. JETER IS DONE. Enjoy all the over priced signatures yankee fans

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

a model of consistency tripping over his own feet, injuring himself in the playoffs after a come back season....Typical pussy baseball player. JETER IS DONE. Enjoy all the over priced signatures yankee fans

Wow...yep sure as hell makes sense.

[bigtrain]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

I have no interest in Jeter's autograph but overrated? The guy is going to end up 3rd or 4th on the all-time hit list.

[steve B]

Guys have attitudes no matter what sport.

1973 My family had moved to Dalton Ma. That fall the town hosted the ISDT a six day motorcycle race. First time ever in the US. And a huge deal to a JR high boy.
The motorcycles were impounded each night. Only a brief time allowed in the morning for repairs. The riders left the impound through a chain link bordered path leading into the team area all of it in the middle of the tradeshow.

Of course we wanted autographs! Especially of the US guys. The Pentons who were sons of the owner of the company that made the team bikes.
And both of them were whiny jerks. (We used other words, yeah even in JR High.)
"Sorry guys my hand hurts" or "sorry, my wrist" One guy had no outward signs of a problem, the other just a bandaid. Heck, maybe I could get out of homework if I had a bandaid on my hand.....

The Russian guy however...........Broken arm. Still riding. We figured there was no way he was signing at all. He had a cast, and had just done a solid 8 hours of advanced trail riding.

He looked at the gauntlet of kids and whistled to the mechanic. Who brought him a pen that fit perfectly into a socket molded into his cast. Then he signed for everyone. Hardly what we expected - We had a kids eye view of Russians as the scary comunists who ruled most sports except baseball football and maybe basketball.

I don't recall his name, but still have the autographs. and program somewhere.
And a very long lasting memory about someone who really went beyond what was necessary and provided a great example to a bunch of kids.

Maybe they should find him and hire him to give the guys like Jeter a talking to?

Steve B
PS the East Germans were also pretty gracious when dads car rolled into their equipment van at one of the banquets...

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I'm 26. I grew up in Florida. When I was in middle school my aunt dated the son of a higher up in the Yankees brass. One summer I went to a game with my dad. We had great seats behind home plate. After the game my dad and I waited for the players in the player parking lot. I walked over and asked Jeter for an autograph. Jeter said "you don't have enough money, kid" and walked away. My dad has hated him ever since.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I'm 26. I grew up in Florida. When I was in middle school my aunt dated the son of a higher up in the Yankees brass. One summer I went to a game with my dad. We had great seats behind home plate. After the game my dad and I waited for the players in the player parking lot. I walked over and asked Jeter for an autograph. Jeter said "you don't have enough money, kid" and walked away. My dad has hated him ever since.

Nice!

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I'm 26. I grew up in Florida. When I was in middle school my aunt dated the son of a higher up in the Yankees brass. One summer I went to a game with my dad. We had great seats behind home plate. After the game my dad and I waited for the players in the player parking lot. I walked over and asked Jeter for an autograph. Jeter said "you don't have enough money, kid" and walked away. My dad has hated him ever since.

i don't believe this. seems like something frank robinson would say, tho.

[RichardSimon]

It is not technically part of his job but it is something that a decent ball player would take the time to do, knowing how people feel about him. If he wants to eliminate the obvious profit makers that is his choice but the average fan is not trying to make money from his signature.
The players should realize how much it does mean to the people who are paying the freight and at least a modest accommodation would be the right thing to do.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

It is not technically part of his job but it is something that a decent ball player would take the time to do, knowing how people feel about him. If he wants to eliminate the obvious profit makers that is his choice but the average fan is not trying to make money from his signature.
The players should realize how much it does mean to the people who are paying the freight and at least a modest accommodation would be the right thing to do.

Now this I totally agree with. Good people tend to do good things for others.

[Gary Dunaier]

In the "This sums it up about Jeter and 3000" thread, Exhibitman made some very intelligent comments that I strongly agree with. The parts I think are specifically relevant to this thread are in bold...

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I don't think it is wrong for Jeter (or anyone else) to charge for autographs at a show, through mail order, etc.--it is a service rendered and if it is overpriced or unwanted, don't buy it--but I do think it is wrong when the prevalent view among athletes becomes that an unpaid autograph is something to be frowned upon, wheither you call it a freebie, brand dilution, leakage, etc. It is called "public relations" and at the right time and place is part of being in the entertainment industry.

As a public person/celebrity who earns millions trading on the goodwill of the public as a product endorser, one of the things Jeter accepts as part of the deal is the duty [yes, it is a duty] to do right by the people who support him. I find it appalling when a ballplayer refuses to sign for a fan (unless the situation is very, very inappropriate, like in a bathroom), especially when the justification is that the fan might sell the item.

If an athlete makes millions playing baseball and endorsing products that he expects kids to purchase based on his endorsements, guess what, the athletes is a role model and with that privilege comes responsibility. One of the reasons I have gone from a rabid fan who had season tickets to a person who rarely watches the game and never attends is the attitude towards the fans exhibited by players and management.

Not wanting to be taken advantage of goes both ways.

[David Atkatz]

Right on.