Please sign Mr Jeter - NY Times article about collecting Jeter in Fla

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

The man's been hounded by these guys for nearly twenty years, I wouldn't give them the time of day.

Babe Ruth was hounded for more than twenty-five years, and always managed to treat his fans well.
It doesn't take much.

[HRBAKER]

Well he's obviously no Babe Ruth. Everyone's different.
It's a personal decision, it's has to get old.

Different game today, same faces day after day. Same hounds, runners, resellers.
No way to discern a "first time fan" from the rest.
Default position, ignore them all.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Well he's obviously no Babe Ruth.

Amen to that, brother!

[HRBAKER]

On a positive note wasn't there a story sometime back about him sending women home from his place with an autographed baseball? Or am I confusing the playa?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...Rz3KsCwUDzPjWA

[Scott Garner]

Derek Jeter, what a giver...

Jeff, you are correct that Derek sends the women that he beds home with a fabulous parting gift- an autographed Derek Jeter baseball!! Whoopee!

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Derek Jeter, what a giver...

Jeff, you are correct that Derek sends the women that he beds home with a fabulous parting gift- an autographed Derek Jeter baseball!! Whoopee!

Well there you go, somedays he is a gracious signer!

[David Atkatz]

He's got a supply of those baseballs pre-inscribed, on his bedside table... "To what was your name again?, Sincerely, Derek Jeter"

[EvilKing00]

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Jim F

His "fans" aren't the ones in line for the most part. I live in downtown Toronto. A block from the Air Canada Center where the NBA and NHL teams play, and also a block from the hockey hall of fame. It's always the same faces with binders of stuff standing out there every time something is going on. I can tell if a team is staying at a certain hotel just by the same clowns standing outside. I see his point.

yes it's getting worse and worse and this has become a job to many of these people.

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

them are fighting words to yankees fans.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

How is he overrated? One of the greatest Yankees ever, let alone a model of consistency on the field as well.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

How is he overrated? One of the greatest Yankees ever, let alone a model of consistency on the field as well.

looking at his numbers:

Jeter - 255 HR - 313 batting average - 348 SB - 1254 rbi - Good player -
very good player. Not a middle of the order guy, also not a lead off guy and very good #2 hitter.

you know who has almost the same exact numbers with half the at bats - Nomar Garciaparra - 229 HR, 313 average - 936 rbi (about half the at bats)

or even Clemente - 317 / 240hr

larry walker - 313 / 383hr

edger martinez - 312 / 309 hr

tod helton was a way better hitter, 320 -354

Magglio Ordonez - 309 / 294 hr

tim ranes - had a 295 average, 170 RH and over 800 SB

you cant compare him to guys like this - Mantle, Joe D, Berra, Ruth, Mattingly, winfield, maris, gehrig, Rickey Henderson

Yes a 313 average is very good, 3000 hits... yea sure thats good too, but hes played 18 seasons, hes a "singles" hitter usually with a few of the best power hitters in the game hitting behind him ALL his life. I dont remember a time when he was even the best SS in the game let alone the best player.





there are tons of very good players with a 310-315 average with 250-300 hr,

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

How is he overrated? One of the greatest Yankees ever, let alone a model of consistency on the field as well.

a model of consistency tripping over his own feet, injuring himself in the playoffs after a come back season....Typical pussy baseball player. JETER IS DONE. Enjoy all the over priced signatures yankee fans

[bigtrain]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

IMO hes WAY over rated - i dont one even 1 card of his and dont want any.

Yea im no yankee fan, but i have other yankee cards, Ruth, mantle, berra & arod.

I have no interest in Jeter's autograph but overrated? The guy is going to end up 3rd or 4th on the all-time hit list.

[steve B]

Guys have attitudes no matter what sport.

1973 My family had moved to Dalton Ma. That fall the town hosted the ISDT a six day motorcycle race. First time ever in the US. And a huge deal to a JR high boy.
The motorcycles were impounded each night. Only a brief time allowed in the morning for repairs. The riders left the impound through a chain link bordered path leading into the team area all of it in the middle of the tradeshow.

Of course we wanted autographs! Especially of the US guys. The Pentons who were sons of the owner of the company that made the team bikes.
And both of them were whiny jerks. (We used other words, yeah even in JR High.)
"Sorry guys my hand hurts" or "sorry, my wrist" One guy had no outward signs of a problem, the other just a bandaid. Heck, maybe I could get out of homework if I had a bandaid on my hand.....

The Russian guy however...........Broken arm. Still riding. We figured there was no way he was signing at all. He had a cast, and had just done a solid 8 hours of advanced trail riding.

He looked at the gauntlet of kids and whistled to the mechanic. Who brought him a pen that fit perfectly into a socket molded into his cast. Then he signed for everyone. Hardly what we expected - We had a kids eye view of Russians as the scary comunists who ruled most sports except baseball football and maybe basketball.

I don't recall his name, but still have the autographs. and program somewhere.
And a very long lasting memory about someone who really went beyond what was necessary and provided a great example to a bunch of kids.

Maybe they should find him and hire him to give the guys like Jeter a talking to?

Steve B
PS the East Germans were also pretty gracious when dads car rolled into their equipment van at one of the banquets...

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I'm 26. I grew up in Florida. When I was in middle school my aunt dated the son of a higher up in the Yankees brass. One summer I went to a game with my dad. We had great seats behind home plate. After the game my dad and I waited for the players in the player parking lot. I walked over and asked Jeter for an autograph. Jeter said "you don't have enough money, kid" and walked away. My dad has hated him ever since.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I'm 26. I grew up in Florida. When I was in middle school my aunt dated the son of a higher up in the Yankees brass. One summer I went to a game with my dad. We had great seats behind home plate. After the game my dad and I waited for the players in the player parking lot. I walked over and asked Jeter for an autograph. Jeter said "you don't have enough money, kid" and walked away. My dad has hated him ever since.

Nice!

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I'm 26. I grew up in Florida. When I was in middle school my aunt dated the son of a higher up in the Yankees brass. One summer I went to a game with my dad. We had great seats behind home plate. After the game my dad and I waited for the players in the player parking lot. I walked over and asked Jeter for an autograph. Jeter said "you don't have enough money, kid" and walked away. My dad has hated him ever since.

i don't believe this. seems like something frank robinson would say, tho.

[RichardSimon]

It is not technically part of his job but it is something that a decent ball player would take the time to do, knowing how people feel about him. If he wants to eliminate the obvious profit makers that is his choice but the average fan is not trying to make money from his signature.
The players should realize how much it does mean to the people who are paying the freight and at least a modest accommodation would be the right thing to do.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Babe Ruth was hounded for more than twenty-five years, and always managed to treat his fans well.
It doesn't take much.

exactly,

if jeter didnt feel like signing that day, so be it, but to tell people that should avert their eyes and not talk to him, that's ridiculous.

i am from the land of kirby puckett, and he would never treat the fans that way. I miss that guy.

no one was mobbed more than muhammad ali, and he signed for 40 years without treating people like this, he signed and signed and talked to people, he didnt act like this, that's for sure. how can Ali do it, and this guy can't act like a human being?

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by travrosty

exactly,

if jeter didnt feel like signing that day, so be it, but to tell people that should avert their eyes and not talk to him, that's ridiculous.

i am from the land of kirby puckett, and he would never treat the fans that way. I miss that guy.
?

yea real nice guy, that puckett!

the difference between jeter and ruth, louis, and all the old timers who were accomodating is they didn't see the "fan" turn around and sell the signed ball for $200 right away, or louis didn't see 2 gloves, 3 trunks, and 5 index cards shoved in his face by 1 guy day after day after day.

[David Atkatz]

I'm sure there were pricks--like Jeter--in Ruth's day, too.
It's just that Ruth wasn't one of them.

I grew up in the Bronx, in the sixties. We used to hang out outside the Stadium for autographs all the time.
Most guys signed. Some didn't.
(I lost count of how many times Mantle pushed me away.)
And we didn't ask for ten signatures, or turn around and resell.

[chaddurbin]

that's what i'm saying...today if you sign for 10 guys, 9 of them are turning around to sell or getting the sig on consignment. that's the game, i don't fault the player for getting fed up. what's funny is when the players are not accomodating or polite to these hounds they go on chatboard and badmouth the players...how dare the players not let me make money off them? and i say all this knowing full well i'm in this hobby and a part of the cycle.

[David Atkatz]

You misunderstood me, Chad. It has nothing--or very little--to do with "today's" autograph collectors.
In every era, there are pricks, and there are menschen.

[drc]

Jeter should compromise and hand out 15% off coupons for his signed ball at the Steiner website.