1921 Koesters Bread Cards

[martyp]

I had a group of Koester Bread cards a few years ago. I listed them on eBay and my web site. A guy contacted me and told me where he had consigned the group that I bought and what other players he had. He also told me that his father had opened boxes of pepperment candy and the cards were inside. I do not remember the brand. If I recall right, he was in Canada.

[MMarvelli]

In an Old Cardboard article regarding the E121 entourage Rhett Yeakley noted:

"There are also some players who were included in this (Koester’s) set that have position variations that can aide in determining that they are Koester’s cards."
These include:

Ross Youngs as R. F. (not O. F.)
John McGraw (side view) as Mgr. (not Manager)
John Rawlings as 2nd B. (not 2.B. or Utl.)

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by MMarvelli

In an Old Cardboard article regarding the E121 entourage Rhett Yeakley noted:

"There are also some players who were included in this (Koester’s) set that have position variations that can aide in determining that they are Koester’s cards."
These include:

Ross Youngs as R. F. (not O. F.)
John McGraw (side view) as Mgr. (not Manager)
John Rawlings as 2nd B. (not 2.B. or Utl.)

For the Ross Youngs R.F. vs. O.F. difference, do the 1922 W575-1's also show O.F., consistent with E121???

SGC graded, what I thought was a 1921 Koester Bread Ross Youngs as a W575-1 instead of Koester Bread even though it has "R.F." on it. Should I resubmit?? Will they change their opinion of the card with this info?

[Brian Van Horn]

Outf. would be the answer.

[rhettyeakley]

When I get home from church today (later) I will write a long winded reply regarding the set as a whole. The Ross young with R.F. is the version that was included with the Koester's Bread grouping. He was never produced with an "Outf." designation.

[MMarvelli]

Glad Rhett will chime in with additional info. I like information-laden long winded replies from authors!

On a side note I looked up John Rawlings on eBay to see if I could see if he was shown in any current sale offers as 2nd B. or 2.B. and came up with this unusual auction...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-E121-Am...item22fb7f0dc6

BMW is claiming that this is "the only known blank-backed E121 to be assigned a numerical grade by a legitimate TPG". Seems to me that this would be a common W575-1 due to the fact that any blank backed E121 would be a W card or a Koesters. I am not sure what SGC was thinking calling it a blank backed E121. Derek, maybe that is partly to explain why SGC doesnt know what your Youngs card is either.

[Brian Van Horn]

My fault. Emil Meusel is also listed as "L.F." in the set:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-Ra...item5651716ed0

[Mark]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

When I get home from church today (later) I will write a long winded reply regarding the set as a whole. The Ross young with R.F. is the version that was included with the Koester's Bread grouping. He was never produced with an "Outf." designation.

Can't wait. The longer the wind, the better.