SGC is now authenticating autographs

[JasonD08]

I find that the true collectors than know their stuff do not care about COAs or even JSA, PSA, BGS, SGC. If you want to maximize profits on mainstream autos on eBay then PSA DNA comes into the picture. As far as SGC I really wish them well, but if they are going to make a dent in this market they:

1. Need to be well prices (Not $15 or even $12 per card)
2. Better website marketing this
3. Better marketing and push for this product.

If SGC would authenticate at $8 per card they would flow with an influx of business. If they try to compete with PSA DNA at this time, they just will not make it in this market. PSA gives specials at times for $10 each, I have seen it and I expect they give a few high volume guys that price or better all the time. SGC MUST undercut that to really make this work. I called the other day offering to submit 1000 cards and pretty much was told $15 was going to be the price. Coming from a guy who would love to see someone take PSA's pie on this, this business model simply will not work. Get the price under $8 each SGC or GOOD LUCK! I would imagine PSA DNA gets about 50% of the subs right anyway. It would not be that difficult for a company to step up and take this market away.

Jason

[travrosty]

when you order a pepperoni pizza, and you get an anchovie pizza, i guess since its not life or death you dont complain and get your order corrected, you just feed it to the dog, and pay the money and whatever will be will be.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

when you order a pepperoni pizza, and you get an anchovie pizza, i guess since its not life or death you dont complain and get your order corrected, you just feed it to the dog, and pay the money and whatever will be will be.

To your earlier point, what's the name of the guy who cooked the last pizza you ordered?

I collect baseball autographs. WELL over 98 percent of the autos I've seen authenticated by JSA or PSA/DNA have been, in my opinion, legit autos. That is better than the overall numbers of autos I've looked at, and it is also better than the record of getting the correct order from pizza delivery places. Your experience has been different in boxing. I have no interest in boxing.

And I dont send autos to TPAs. I have several in my collection with those certs, but they were purchased as such.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

To your earlier point, what's the name of the guy who cooked the last pizza you ordered?

Ih.

LOL, nice one

Mike

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

To your earlier point, what's the name of the guy who cooked the last pizza you ordered?

(pretending i'm Travis)(In una voce morbida aumentando gradualmente di volume)

his name is papa john and he was trained by the best in the world and has. never made a error. unlike the other abc's like dominos, digiornos, and totino's. papa john would never certify pineapple on a pizza. end of discussion. wake up and stop buying pizza.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I like the pizza talk. Funny and original.

In reference to hrbaker, you are wrongly assuming that everyone who sends is too stupid to know whether something is real or not and we need to be saved by PSA or JSA. I also hope you're not accusing me or others of knowingly selling a forgery only because one of the two authenticated it. The only reason I do business with both is because items authenticated by them sell for more money. The item does not change, it only accompanies a LOA from a disinterested third party. If you choose not to do business with them, that is fine. Please do not disparage others for doing business with them. It's a service nothing more. Lastly, I always guarantee everything I sell for life. Same as the big name autograph guys and I have thousands of 100% feedback on eBay which only helps prove my point that even if you have great track record it still doesn't mean people are willing to buy items from you for good money without third party authentication.

[HRBAKER]

I didn't disparage anyone. My post was a question. I know why most people use them. It's like getting your car painted before you sell it, it brings more money. However I don't think I would be going out on too long a limb to say most sellers don't offer returns on TPG cards and autos. As to whether most sellers of autos know whether what they are selling is real or not before they send it in for review, I have no clue - I know what I think. Kudos to you for standing behind what you sell TPG endorsement or not. So you accept returns on any authenticated autograph no questions asked?

Edit to add: I have several slabbed authenticated cards.

[Duluth Eskimo]

If there are questions regarding authenticity and there is a respected opinion in disagreement I do. I do not buy and sell memorabilia for a full time job, but either way my reputation is worth more than one sale.

Someone already echoed this statement, but I have a large personal collection and I would say 90% does not have third party authentication and the ones that do come that way in the auction. If something doesn't look or feel right, it doesn't really matter to me what LOA it comes with no matter who the authenticator is.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by travrosty

when you order a pepperoni pizza, and you get an anchovie pizza, i guess since its not life or death you dont complain and get your order corrected, you just feed it to the dog, and pay the money and whatever will be will be.

If they gave me pepperoni 99% of the time, and the other time they accidentally used some other hard sausage that tasted and looked like pepperoni, I'd probably eat it. But there's no way I'm eating the pup-eroni pizza from Coaches Corner Pizza.

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

If SGC would authenticate at $8 per card they would flow with an influx of business. If they try to compete with PSA DNA at this time, they just will not make it in this market. PSA gives specials at times for $10 each, I have seen it and I expect they give a few high volume guys that price or better all the time. SGC MUST undercut that to really make this work.

Jason

SGC's website says standard authentication and slabbing will be $10 (with additional fees for "premium" signers and for oversized items).

Cheers,
Blair

[chaddurbin]

sgc currently have a deal for $8/card. psa/dna have $10 deals all the time. as a matter of fact i'm involved in one right now over at CU.

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

sgc currently have a deal for $8/card.

Is this somewhere on their website? Don't see it. Thanks.

Cheers,
Blair

[JasonD08]

Blair

I called SGC this week to see what 1000 card submission would cost and they thought anything less than $10 per card was unreasonable.

Jason

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Blair

I called SGC this week to see what 1000 card submission would cost and they thought anything less than $10 per card was unreasonable.

Jason

Hi Jason,

Looks like waiting until March will save you a couple grand!

Cheers,
Blair

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

Is this somewhere on their website? Don't see it. Thanks.

Cheers,
Blair

The deal is for submissions made in March, not February.

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by sylbry

The deal is for submissions made in March, not February.

OK - thanks!

Cheers,
Blair

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

OK - thanks!

Cheers,
Blair

yes, contact earl (earlsworld here) for more info. i might take them up on the $8 deal for my private signing cards that i know are good. probably still gonna stick to psa/dna for the unknowns. even tho i don't know much i do have biases toward different alphabet guys

[travrosty]

yeah, nobody cares who actually looks at an autograph and authenticates it. , right? yeah, right. as long as you can get it authenticated for 8 dollars, who cares? that's why the hobby suffers, because people just want the cert, not accuracy. is there a lot of people ready to send in their autographs for 8 dollars and doesn't even know or care who is going to authenticate it. nice.

If you don't care who looks at it and authenticates it, then you get what you deserve. we have went from a system where educated, experienced dealers stood behind their autographs to general, anonymous companies slabbing autographs with unknown authenticators, which can then be sold by dealers who have no clue about autographs. we have taken 10 huge steps backward and people here who are laughing because they are getting a great deal couldn't care less because they were not serious autograph hobbyists in the first place. they are just looking for any company to cert it for 8 dollars, to heck with the accuracy and experience behind the person certing it. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert.

[travrosty]

I know Mike N. thinks its funny, but dominos pizza tracker tells me who makes my pizza, Habib does.

think about it, Dominos tells me more about who makes my 12 dollar pizza, than psa or jsa tells me about who looks at and authenticates my 3000 dollar autograph. That should tell you something. More transparency and accountability in a 12 dollar pie than a babe ruth cut.

Who was Michael Root 3 years ago before jsa hired him? were people seeking him out asking for his opinion on autographs? was he some master authenticator? seems to me he owned an autograph store and was maybe well connected and brought in to generate sales, like almost all the other authenticators for abc and xyz corp.

The first two years he wasn't even listed on jsa's website even as an authenticator, wasn't listed at all. he was only listed this last year and all of the sudden he is head of authentication, displacing larry as the owner of that lofty title at jsa. larry must be peeved, even spence III is a regional manager now, a young man in his 20;s, a regional manager and head of authentication in florida, or what have you.

no need to put in twenty or thirty years anymore. anybody can put in 3 or 4 or 5 and be head of authentication and regional/world managers now.

I researched just boxing, not 100 different categories, just boxing for over 20 years, and after 10 years, i still did not feel qualified to opine on just boxing signatures.

but if 8 dollar authentications from a guy with 3 years experience (if he is the one even looking at your signatures at all) floats your boat then go for it.

It's not about getting it right or accuracy anymore, it's about getting the cert. people dont want a guys cert with 25 or 30 years experience if it means the name isnt pms or jv squad or sec. they would rather have a psa, jsa sgc cert from a newbie hired fresh off the street as long as it is slabbed and they get that precious cert. who cares if it is real.

[drc]

Since you don't know who is the examiner, how can you comment on his or her amount and level of experience?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I know Mike N. thinks its funny, but dominos pizza tracker tells me who makes my pizza, Habib does.

think about it, Dominos tells me more about who makes my 12 dollar pizza, than psa or jsa tells me about who looks at and authenticates my 3000 dollar autograph. That should tell you something. More transparency and accountability in a 12 dollar pie than a babe ruth cut.

Who was Michael Root 3 years ago before jsa hired him? were people seeking him out asking for his opinion on autographs? was he some master authenticator? seems to me he owned an autograph store and was maybe well connected and brought in to generate sales, like almost all the other authenticators for abc and xyz corp.

The first two years he wasn't even listed on jsa's website even as an authenticator, wasn't listed at all. he was only listed this last year and all of the sudden he is head of authentication, displacing larry as the owner of that lofty title at jsa. larry must be peeved, even spence III is a regional manager now, a young man in his 20;s, a regional manager and head of authentication in florida, or what have you.

no need to put in twenty or thirty years anymore. anybody can put in 3 or 4 or 5 and be head of authentication and regional/world managers now.

I researched just boxing, not 100 different categories, just boxing for over 20 years, and after 10 years, i still did not feel qualified to opine on just boxing signatures.

but if 8 dollar authentications from a guy with 3 years experience (if he is the one even looking at your signatures at all) floats your boat then go for it.

It's not about getting it right or accuracy anymore, it's about getting the cert. people dont want a guys cert with 25 or 30 years experience if it means the name isnt pms or jv squad or sec. they would rather have a psa, jsa sgc cert from a newbie hired fresh off the street as long as it is slabbed and they get that precious cert. who cares if it is real.

First of all, if you are paying $12 for a Dominos pizza, I understand why you think $8-10 for a slabbed card is ridiculously low. And who is 'Habib'?

Second, three years experience is quite a bit if you have the eye for it. If you don't have the eye for it, then 50 years is not enough. If you don't understand what I just said, then you don't have the eye.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I know Mike N. thinks its funny, but dominos pizza tracker tells me who makes my pizza, Habib does.

Would you have still had that pizza even if Habib didn't make it? Why is that? How long has Habib been in the pizza business? Can he tell a frozen sausage from a fresh sausage?

Me thinks you still would have had that pizza because of the reputation and marketing of Dominos Pizza. Not because of Habib's knowledge of preparing the pie,or because of any aspect of his pizza making skills. Even though Dominos has served burnt pizzas, pizza with saliva as the secret sauce, as well as even completely lost orders, you still patronize their business.

It's because most of the time you feel you know what you are going to get, you are fine with their level of service and accept their error rate, and you are fine with their price point for the product you receive. Doesn't matter to you that it's Habib, it matters that it's Dominos.

[HOFAUTOS]

Originally Posted by travrosty

yeah, nobody cares who actually looks at an autograph and authenticates it. , right? yeah, right. as long as you can get it authenticated for 8 dollars, who cares? that's why the hobby suffers, because people just want the cert, not accuracy. is there a lot of people ready to send in their autographs for 8 dollars and doesn't even know or care who is going to authenticate it. nice.

If you don't care who looks at it and authenticates it, then you get what you deserve. we have went from a system where educated, experienced dealers stood behind their autographs to general, anonymous companies slabbing autographs with unknown authenticators, which can then be sold by dealers who have no clue about autographs. we have taken 10 huge steps backward and people here who are laughing because they are getting a great deal couldn't care less because they were not serious autograph hobbyists in the first place. they are just looking for any company to cert it for 8 dollars, to heck with the accuracy and experience behind the person certing it. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert. cert.

If you care so much give Mike a call. He said if you want to know more about who is consulting he would be more than happy to tell you.

Call Mike, Maybe?

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

we have went from a system where educated, experienced dealers stood behind their autographs to general, anonymous companies slabbing autographs with unknown authenticators, which can then be sold by dealers who have no clue about autographs.

When was this magical time when there was a system, where I can assume only real autographs were sold because only experienced dealers were selling them? I don't remember such a time.

There are still educated, experienced dealers who stand behind their autographs. Some of the very best post here regularly. Before PSA existed, there were anonymous companies certing autographs with unknown authenticators. Just as it was in the 80s, it is up to buyers to determine if what they purchase is real. I agree that too many blindly trust JSA and PSA/DNA, but those are the same people that have always blindly trusted LOAs of all stripes.