The Joe Pelaez T206 Plank

[ullmandds]

there is a brown dot(?) to the left of eddie's collar that has disappeared from psa to sgc...but looking at the card I'd say it looks more like a vg than a good to me?!

[g_vezina_c55]

I didn't see the card in real, but according to me it is a VG card.
So the SGC grade is OK for me ...

[jhs5120]

PSA can be tough on stains. In my experience SGC is more lenient on cards FR-VG cards with decent eye appeal.

[glchen]

Also, as Kevin Mize noted in the PSA boards thread, PSA is stricter on corner wear. SGC will give a card with corner wear with higher grade if it has nice eye appeal.

[drc]

I know SGC can be lenient. I submitted an Adolph Hitler card and they returned it with a grade of "liked dogs."

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by drc

I know SGC can be lenient. I submitted an Adolph Hitler card and they returned it with a grade of "liked dogs."

OMG! Now THAT'S funny!!!!!!

[Fred]

I think we're all forgetting that the grade really depends on a lot of factors:

* Day of the week
* Week of the month
* Did the grader have breakfast or lunch that day
* Was the grader "shut out" by the wife the night before
* Did someone cut the grader off in traffic that day on the way to work

Bottom line - it's subjective... it's just the way the grader saw it on a particular day... PSA2, SGC40.... oh well.... I guess the main point is that it's authentic...

[WillowGrove]

Originally Posted by drc

I know SGC can be lenient. I submitted an Adolph Hitler card and they returned it with a grade of "liked dogs."

that's good stuff right there.

[kcohen]

FWIW, I held that card in my hand a couple of times as Joe used to bring his treasures to the Chantilly Show to share with (OK, and show them off to) his hobby friends. The card appeared to me to be clearly within the VG range of grading, so I think SGC got it right. Had I sent it in for grading and it came back a GD, it would have been disappointing. Of course, Joe wouldn't have cared either way since, to the best of my knowledge, he never sent cards in for grading.

[poorlydrawncat]

Originally Posted by drc

I know SGC can be lenient. I submitted an Adolph Hitler card and they returned it with a grade of "liked dogs."

Hands down the funniest post I've ever seen on this board.

[bn2cardz]

It looks to me like there is a pin hole just right of the center top right below the white border. It could be an indent or color change, but it seems that it corresponds with a color change in the staining on the top left of the center on the rear. It is a mark that shows up in both scans of the card, otherwise I would have over looked it.

[ullmandds]

I wonder if the son of sam would receive a similar grade as hitler?

[peterose4hof]

Difficult to tell from the scans of course, but it looks like it may have been soaked. Also, the corner wear is not as pronounced in the SGC holder; could it have been pressed or spooned?

It would take some serious cojones to "work" on a card of this caliber.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

PSA can be tough on stains. In my experience SGC is more lenient on cards FR-VG cards with decent eye appeal.

Yeah PSA will hammer a stain:

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Yeah PSA will hammer a stain:

What stain???

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Yeah PSA will hammer a stain:

There are exceptions to everything..

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

There are exceptions to everything..

...several probably.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

...several probably.

Lol, with 20,000,000 graded I'm sure there are!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Yeah PSA will hammer a stain:

How long do you think it was floating in the spittoon before the bar-back fished it out?

[HRBAKER]

Scott,
It's the Bresnastain variation. I am not sure what backs it
is found with.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

I didn't see the card in real, but according to me it is a VG card.
So the SGC grade is OK for me ...

+1. It does appear in the scans as if it might have been soaked, though. Some cajones if that was the case!

Best regards,

Larry

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

+1. It does appear in the scans as if it might have been soaked, though. Some cajones if that was the case!

Best regards,

Larry

Please, Larry - tell us the details of what soaking does to a card.

Others who think this card was soaked - I'd love to hear your 'soaking characteristics' as well, based of course on your experiences with soaking cards yourself, as well as handling cards that you have evidence were soaked.

Thanks.