SGC is now authenticating autographs

[HexsHeroes]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I don't see why so many turn this into an all or nothing scenario. Can't we like both Jim, Richard and the credible TPAs?

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I have been collecting vintage baseball autographs just long enough to have purchased items from James Spence III back when he was considered (by some of his peers) as one of the "good guys" who's experience and opinion you could trust. Makes me wonder if the evolution of JSA could have been guided differently, and if so, would it have made any difference with how JSA is preceived today?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by HexsHeroes

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I have been collecting vintage baseball autographs just long enough to have purchased items from James Spence III back when he was considered (by some of his peers) as one of the "good guys" who's experience and opinion you could trust. Makes me wonder if the evolution of JSA could have been guided differently, and if so, would it have made any difference with how JSA is preceived today?

What does it take to be a "good guy" ?

What are your complaints? Have you voiced them to JSA? What was their response?



This forum is why I got back in to autographs - the passion, interest and good stories rubbed off on me. But there is a lot of stuff posted in here that really leaves me scratching my head.

[shelly]

The real way to end this is to have. Jim and Richard start there own company. They probably know everyone and anyone who is a specialist in all the areas they are not. That will give us the best of all worlds.I know there cost will be fair and maybe even better than the other people out there. Just think. They then could be insulted by Travis. He needs someone new to pick on. Unless of course they use him for boxing.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by shelly

The real way to end this is to have. Jim and Richard start there own company. They probably know everyone and anyone who is a specialist in all the areas they are not. That will give us the best of all worlds.I know there cost will be fair and maybe even better than the other people out there. Just think. They then could be insulted by Travis. He needs someone new to pick on. Unless of course they use him for boxing.

It's funny you say this. I was wondering who on this board would pay one of the major autograph slip sellers to authenticate anything. I could see paying one of the respected authenticators on this board for their opinion, and I would do so if I had to re-sell something that was very obscure, but pay for a 'slab and slip'?

Do any of you do that?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Runscott

It's funny you say this. I was wondering who on this board would pay one of the major autograph slip sellers to authenticate anything. I could see paying one of the respected authenticators on this board for their opinion, and I would do so if I had to re-sell something that was very obscure, but pay for a 'slab and slip'?

Do any of you do that?

a few years ago, when i thought they operated out of integrity, i had two items certed by jsa, big mistake. wasted my money and took a bath on the items because the fee ate most if not all of my profits, and I already knew they were good, so why bother. because like others, i thought the cert by itself was worth something, but all along it was the autograph. who knew?

well i will never make that mistake again. i submitted a vintage muhammad ali autograph on a slip of paper that was obviously good, and for only 100 dollars later, i had spence tell me it was good, wow, what a relief!

the other one, a vintage max schmeling signed postcard, costs less, but he had no idea if it was good or not until i talked him into it, then it's good, so it was really a roste coa, but spence took credit for it and took the fee and now it has a jsa coa, like he knew all along, NOT!

the tpa would provide a valuable service if they practiced full disclosure, took more time authenticating autographs. only authenticating within their field, and took responsibility for their mistakes, which they dont, and explain their letters of regret with something else but doublespeak generalities like (improper shading, undulating baseline WHAT?)

They should tell you exactly who looked at your autograph, who made the determination, provide exemplars if asked, (which they don't), list all their consultants, and turn down autographs if they have no experitise in that area.

They do none of these things, and until a company does, i can't in good conscience recomment tpa's because there is too much hidden, secret processes that doesn't do the customer any good and leads to conflict of interest.

[otismalibu]

wasted my money and took a bath on the items because the fee ate most if not all of my profits, and I already knew they were good, so why bother. because like others, i thought the cert by itself was worth something, but all along it was the autograph.

I only really collect one player and feel comfortable doing my own 'authenticating'. Last year I sent in about 30 cards. I've never sold any of my auto cards, but they will inevitably be for sale at some point. IMO, the added value (real or imagined in the eyes of buyers) will more than offset the fees. When on eBay, I'm looking for the top two cards. When the time comes to sell, I'd rather have to move the bottom two. Yes, I know they're the same cards, but this is a hobby where some people mat and frame COAs.