The downfall of the PSA boards.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I look at the PSA refugees as I would taking in a stray dog: It may not have very good manners nor understanding of what's going on, but with a little training can be a valued member of the household. Or continue to poop wherever it pleases. One will get "attaboys", the other a trip to the "farm".

Jim Ma.rinari

Referring to intelligent grown men as stray dogs with no manners or intellect simply because they are disgruntled with the current status of the PSA board is not only condescending but extremely rude. If you love the hobby and this forum, one would think you would welcome new members instead of belittling them.

As for the difference in TPGs. In a perfect world we would have one TPG with a holder as durable as BGS, as classy and stylish as SGC with the resale value of PSA. Anyone that truly believes that PSA isn't the current market leader is fooling themselves or has their blinders on.

[ullmandds]

"As for the difference in TPGs. In a perfect world we would have one TPG with a holder as durable as BGS, as classy and stylish as SGC with the resale value of PSA. Anyone that truly believes that PSA isn't the current market leader is fooling themselves or has their blinders on. "

+1 But as for why PSA is still the market leader is beyond me...with their piss poor grading times/customer service...and inconsistent grading.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

+1 But as for why PSA is still the market leader is beyond me...with their piss poor grading times/customer service...and inconsistent grading.

Completely agree. No idea how PSA has survived this long with all the past "scandals" surrounding not only some high profile cards, but also recently with the pack grading. That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of inconsistent grading especially when many cards increase in value by up to 50x's for a simple totally objective one grade bump.

[Matthew H]

Selling your collection for a premium through PSA = smart.

Buying your collection for a premium through PSA = ?

[ullmandds]

totally agree Matt...I try to avoid buying PSA cards at all costs! But when it comes time to sell...I wish they were all in PSA holders...but I won't deal with PSA so I'm most likely leaving $$$ on the table...oh well!!!!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

totally agree Matt...I try to avoid buying PSA cards at all costs! But when it comes time to sell...I wish they were all in PSA holders...but I won't deal with PSA so I'm most likely leaving $$$ on the table...oh well!!!!

For resale value, PSA brings more in only for cards in which the Registry comes into play. For many (perhaps most) prewar issues, the PSA Registry is a non-factor. For that reason, every single card that I submit raw for grading is through SGC. I can tell you that spending 10K on a prewar, non-Registry PSA card has, for me, been a frightening endeavor.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

Referring to intelligent grown men as stray dogs with no manners or intellect simply because they are disgruntled with the current status of the PSA board is not only condescending but extremely rude. If you love the hobby and this forum, one would think you would welcome new members instead of belittling them.

Given their 'pooping in the house', I think his analogy was pretty good. You have created a very poor straw man - as you well know, our reaction to their posts wasn't because they are disgruntled with the current status of PSA. It was because of their poor behavior over here. Personally, I don't think the other forums do a very good job of potty-training their members - they simply drop them off in a field if they don't behave correctly. At least we are trying.

Loving the hobby and this forum have nothing to do with putting up with bad behavior. I've had my wrist slapped plenty of times - claiming that it was because a moderator "doesn't love the hobby or the forum" would be ludicrous.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Given their 'pooping in the house', I think his analogy was pretty good. You have created a very poor straw man - as you well know, our reaction to their posts wasn't because they are disgruntled with the current status of PSA. It was because of their poor behavior over here. Personally, I don't think the other forums do a very good job of potty-training their members - they simply drop them off in a field if they don't behave correctly. At least we are trying.

Loving the hobby and this forum have nothing to do with putting up with bad behavior. I've had my wrist slapped plenty of times - claiming that it was because a moderator "doesn't love the hobby or the forum" would be ludicrous.

If not for Scott's comments on this thread I may have jumped out the window at the end of the first page. Please keep them coming.

[insidethewrapper]

Look at these 2 PSA submissions ( A) and ( 10 ). Guess what dealer is selling the (10). It's on ebay now.

[bobbyw8469]

If not for Scott's comments on this thread I may have jumped out the window at the end of the first page. Please keep them coming.

Darn it - I wish Scott had stayed away...one can only hope! (j/k)

[ullmandds]

Mike...nice evidence...it is such crap...its like the fed reserve printing money for their friends!!!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Darn it - I wish Scott had stayed away...one can only hope! (j/k)

I'm leaving. Someone go nail Jeff's window shut.

[ullmandds]

Totally agree with John on this one... PSA is notorious for over grading. Kevin I kind of remember You dumping a whole load of PSA vg/ex's That were totally over graded... Most of those would have dropped one or two or three tiers on SGC?

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

Referring to intelligent grown men as stray dogs with no manners or intellect simply because they are disgruntled with the current status of the PSA board is not only condescending but extremely rude. If you love the hobby and this forum, one would think you would welcome new members instead of belittling them.

As for the difference in TPGs. In a perfect world we would have one TPG with a holder as durable as BGS, as classy and stylish as SGC with the resale value of PSA. Anyone that truly believes that PSA isn't the current market leader is fooling themselves or has their blinders on.

I read this board for months prior to registering. As a result, I am unaware of any time that I posted in the wrong category multiple times, called out longtime board members over perceived slights, denigrated solicited opinions, or pretend to have knowlege in areas I don't.

I was mainly referring to the the FACT that the lack of decorum that is prevalent on other boards and blogs on the interwebs, sometimes carries over to their participation here. There is a learning curve that most go through to outgrow the posturing and shouting which is necessary for survival on other boards. Most succeed, but some don't don't even try to get it.

Clearly, I was not calling new members "dogs". And "intelligent grown men" don't have hissy fits.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I read this board for months prior to registering. As a result, I am unaware of any time that I posted in the wrong category multiple times, called out longtime board members over perceived slights, denigrated solicited opinions, or pretend to have knowlege in areas I don't.

I was mainly referring to the the FACT that the lack of decorum that is prevalent on other boards and blogs on the interwebs, sometimes carries over to their participation here. There is a learning curve that most go through to outgrow the posturing and shouting which is necessary for survival on other boards. Most succeed, but some don't don't even try to get it.

Clearly, I was not calling new members "dogs". And "intelligent grown men" don't have hissy fits.

I have no idea what you just said.....Too many beers I guess....

[Runscott]

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I have no idea what you just said.....Too many beers I guess....

Me or you?