The downfall of the PSA boards.

[bobbyw8469]

Geordie....you just don't know....I take alot over there. And am not the most eloquent at speaking when I get riled up. I can squash all this crap once and for all. All you got to do is ask.

[Deertick]

Leon,
Is there a way to bookmark a thread?

[HRBAKER]

Board Drama Quotient on the rise.

[bobbyw8469]

The ironic things is....I am one of the most honest and trustyworthy members of the board. I laugh out loud alot when I read all the stuff about me. But I have heard it for YEARS now.....it gets old alot....especially when it isn't true.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The ironic things is....I am one of the most honest and trustyworthy members of the board. I laugh out loud alot when I read all the stuff about me. But I have heard it for YEARS now.....it gets old alot....especially when it isn't true.

The ironic thing is.......that you have been called out numerous times for various perceived wrong doings not to mention flat out being wrong and refusing to accept it. Then there's the constant name calling and belittling others. Plus the Milton Bradley thread. Plus the '55 Mays that you not only knew was trimmed but had mentioned it in another thread. Then you completely deny having knowledge of it being trimmed when you get called out months later. I could go on for hours but I will digress.

I will give you credit for one thing, once you make a stance you never change that stance or bury your head in the sands like some others do. You will continue to argue with knowledgeable collectors even after they have proven you wrong.

[Sean1125]

Guys.

Stop.

[Sean1125]

I tried.

[bobbyw8469]

Plus the '55 Mays that you not only knew was trimmed but had mentioned it in another thread. Then you completely deny having knowledge of it being trimmed when you get called out months later. I could go on for hours but I will digress.


Ah....Bill....you've been banned from PSA.....so let's talk about WIllie Mays here....

Bobbyw8469....I hate you!! You TRIMMED CARDS!!

A) False. I have never trimmed a card. I don't know how. Too honest for that. I have also never KNOWINGLY sold trimmed cards.

Well.....what about the 1955 Bowman Willie Mays??

A). Ahh...the Mays. I bought that one raw from TriplePlayVintage off of Ebay. I sent it in to PSA for grading. They rejected it as trimmed. I threw away the rejection flip (as I used to do in the past), and put it in my raw 'trouble' pile. Then cards in my trouble pile got scattered with my normal cards. I honestly forgot all about it until I come across it. I sold it on Ebay raw. The winning bidder sent it into PSA and it got rejected as 'trimmed'. I refunded the buyer. I then sold it on Ebay WITH the rejection Card Saver and it sold. The winning bidder sent it in to BVG where it achieved a high number grade. So is the card trimmed or not? I know it now resides with a numeric grade. And the argument of one grading company saying a card is trimmed and another grading card company saying a card is good has been going on long before I got into the hobby, and will continue to go on if and when I leave this hobby. That is also another argument altogether. Next?

Added: I learned alot after dealing with that Mays. I learned not to throw away the rejection card saver. I keep the cards into those savers until I dispose of them. Check out the recent 1960 Aaron, 1962 Aaron and 1962 Mays I sold as trimmed. I do hope the winning bidder is able to get them into holders. It won't be me. Ok.....next?

[TNP777]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

All...Milton Bradley....let's talk......If I show you a group of twenty cards (in rows of 10 - one Milton Bradley and one Topps). I let you pick 20 of your most 'knowledgable' collectors. How many people do you think would get 100% on the quiz? How many do you think would get 80% on the quiz? You might be surprised that more people would fail than pass.

See, this response shows me and anyone else that witnessed or participated in that thread that you still don't get it.

We were never talking about 20 cards in two rows of 10. We were talking about one card. One card that even to a layman was obvious that it wasn't a MB. I don't know why you continue to deflect the conversation elsewhere. I'm not a MB expert and have never claimed to be one. However, there's no question in anyone's mind that your card was just a plain ol' Topps.

Whatever. Back to the sidelines for me.

[Leon]

Ok, so there won't be too many of this type of thread so no one has to PM me about it. Moderation.
Now that being said, everyone who gives any opinion, at all, needs to have their name in their post. First and last name. If that is not good then edit your commentary out. This pertains to everyone in this thread (and is a rule anyway). I think this might be the biggest difference in this forum and the one being discussed. No anonymity when arguing or belittling someone. If you want to just talk about cards then your name can be private, only known to moderators. Also, anymore arguments from other venues, will need to be in the correct forum here. In other words, I would prefer not to have those issues brought here whatsoever, but if they are, and our rules are followed, then those threads should be in the correct forum (post war if that is how they originated over there) on this site. And lastly it bears reiterating what a few other board members have said. We are a different group. It would be wise to hang out a while and get the general orientation..... Same rules for everyone (no one reads them but still...) and they are posted. Carry on.....

[TNP777]

Sorry, Leon.

[Griffins]

Bobby, from my impartial observation, you've deserved all you've gotten and a lot more. My advice is to start fresh here and don't bring that negativity and questionable ethics over here- you were a large part of the problem.
Everyone deserves a fresh start in a new venue.

[TNP777]

I'm sure I don't know all, Bobby. I've seen a good part of it, though, and my opinion is that a large part could have been diffused if you were willing to step back and be objective and admit that maybe, just maybe, you might be wrong.

Exhibit 1: the Milton Bradley thread.

There's no doubt you've taken a beating on CU, and probably more than you deserve. Some of that abuse has been self inflicted, though. For you to insinuate that everyone else is to blame is just not believable.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

[bobbyw8469]

All...Milton Bradley....let's talk......If I show you a group of twenty cards (in rows of 10 - one Milton Bradley and one Topps). I let you pick 20 of your most 'knowledgable' collectors. How many people do you think would get 100% on the quiz? How many do you think would get 80% on the quiz? You might be surprised that more people would fail than pass.

[rjackson44]

leon wont ever allow that