FAKE packs and an FBI Fraud Investigation: What would YOU do?

[pepis]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

I believe the Schmidt thread was brought up because Jose used that cello as his impetus to begin manufacturing his own. My take was that the Schmidt cello infuriated him and he set out on a quest to prove to the hobby just how easy it was to fake unopened cello packs (aka, making straight cash homie!)

I didn't get infuriated, but it did botter me specially when he did trow Paul
under the bus sort of speak Paul wasn't a close friend but he was sombody
that many times came over to compare notes when he saw me set-up
at some shows, however it was what i saw in the net that didn't look right,
all my friends told me to just look the other way, that i couldn't win
against a big company, most people don't have any idea how big this is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

[RGold]

Peter, I like your new avatar. Rope-a-dope for you is quite afropos.

[tsalem]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

+1

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[dzolot]

Didn't know the rule. I am dzolot - im on the cu boards and over 100k views on youtube for my vintage cards under dzolot - look me up and enjoy the videos!!!

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by dzolot

Didn't know the rule. I am dzolot - im on the cu boards and over 100k views on youtube for my vintage cards under dzolot - look me up and enjoy the videos!!!

That's a cool name. Unfortunately my parents gave me a first, middle, and last name. I'm such a loser.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by dzolot

Didn't know the rule. I am dzolot - im on the cu boards and over 100k views on youtube for my vintage cards under dzolot - look me up and enjoy the videos!!!

That is great.....100K views!! Wow thats pretty good. Now please post your name as the rules indicate like the rest of us have to do.

Thank you.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

The story is long, 2 years in the making and an additional few more years in reasearch with plenty of graphic evidence i can only post here with Leon's ok.

I know how Erin Brockovich felt as I am now the Star Pack Environmental Activist.

Pepe

[mcadams]

Awful how you keep referring to yourself as a hero. Unless there was a con artist who faked sports memorabilia items somewhere in the Erin Brokovich movie.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pepis

The story is long, 2 years in the making and an additional few more years in reasearch with plenty of graphic evidence i can only post here with Leon's ok.

I know how Erin Brockovich felt as I am now the Star Pack Environmental Activist.

Pepe

It is, and always has been, the policy of this board to allow almost anything to be said, per the rules, as long as your name is by your post. As long as that is your real name, fire away. It's worth repeating that whatever anyone says in this forum they are legally liable for. That being said as long as you speak the truth, and are not breaking the law, you should never have anything to worry about. Of if you are breaking the law, and want to fess up, well, that is your right too. Someone called me on the phone a few hours ago asking about posting a thread talking about the biggest fraudsters in the hobby. I said I recommend against it, but as long as everyone has their full name in each post (mandatory) then so be it. I did recommend against it as I think it would be ugly, but I didn't say "no".

[Matthew H]

A "biggest fraudsters" thread would be great. Sure it would get ugly, but if someone in the hobby is ripping people off they deserve to be bashed in any and every way possible, IMO.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

A "biggest fraudsters" thread would be great. Sure it would get ugly, but if someone in the hobby is ripping people off they deserve to be bashed in any and every way possible, IMO.

If you are talking about "Fraudsters" in the sportscard hobby industry, I highly doubt many on this board would go there....LOL. some of the people that would be "outed" are members of this board I dare say, and many on this board buy from these people and actually let themselves be ripped of time and time again 'cause "they just have to get that card". Meanwhile crooked dealer laughs as he transfers a small % of cash to his shill accounts PAYPAL addresses, and then deposits the rest in his bank account. Card collecting is a dying hobby and dealers such as the ones discussed lately are killing it faster. In 1997 there were 8 baseball card related shops in my smallish town. In 2007 there were none. Today there are none...
If you don't think there is MASSIVE fraud on Ebay you are in denial. I harken back to a post about flea marketers and cards that am pretty sure I made on this board in 2007 . I personally witnessed a SHILL MILL in operation in Warren County Ohio back then. 10 people 30 ebay accounts , all bidding on their employers and friends of their employers auctions around the country. back then it wasn't just sportscards they were shilling either, it was jewelry, antiques, cars, boats, game systems, etc.... you name it they will sell it.


- end of line

[mcadams]

Originally Posted by T206DK

Card collecting is a dying hobby and dealers such as the ones discussed lately are killing it faster.

If you want to see the next generation of card buyers in action, go to blowoutcards.com and spend a week or two there. There are tons of kids, and I do mean kids, doing B/S/T on modern. None of those kids post here because they don't have interests in Tobacco-era now, but as those mostly teenage and 20-something collectors advance, some will develop interests in vintage as well. The avenues of trade have changed for sure, but collecting is not dying.

[brob28]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.

Can you take a few minutes to explain, so we can be 100% certain of the story on this subject? I'm pretty sure we're all following along somewhat, but I'd appreciate hearing the whole story in your words.

[TNP777]

I've been trying to wrap my mind around this. Correct me if I'm wrong - Jose, are you saying you created bogus packs for the purpose of getting them past the graders at PSA (specifically Steve Hart) as an experiment to expose fraud... and are willing to risk incarceration as a result of said experiment? Am I understanding correctly?

I have to have missed something.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by TNP777

I've been trying to wrap my mind around this. Correct me if I'm wrong - Jose, are you saying you created bogus packs for the purpose of getting them past the graders at PSA (specifically Steve Hart) as an experiment to expose fraud... and are willing to risk incarceration as a result of said experiment? Am I understanding correctly?

I have to have missed something.

You didn't miss anything. I think you hit the Nail on the head.

[TNP777]

Originally Posted by Leon

You didn't miss anything. I think you hit the Nail on the head.

Wow. In that case Jose's level of commitment makes CardCop look like a rank amateur.

Still shaking my head.

Wow.

[brob28]

What I can't figure out is if Jose sold any of the packs. When reading the OP, it seems to me David is saying several of these packs were sold?

Jose can you clear that up for me?

[Griffins]

Did you not sell a large number of packs to Muggyman and others?

[jonincleve]

open the packs, have PSA grade them for free with their own flip 'real cards opened from fake packs'

[pepis]

Originally Posted by TNP777

I've been trying to wrap my mind around this. Correct me if I'm wrong - Jose, are you saying you created bogus packs for the purpose of getting them past the graders at PSA (specifically Steve Hart) as an experiment to expose fraud... and are willing to risk incarceration as a result of said experiment? Am I understanding correctly?

I have to have missed something.

My original intention was to write a story about the unopened packs
corruption and that included everything the GAI/Shaqfu grocery pack thing
the x-mas racks the B.Kennert wax pack reconstracting and then the cello
pack thing showed up, here is my 1st note, i did talk to some people
about it, and then one or 2 of them alerted PSA and they called the FBI
on me about 8 months ago they told me i'm to small of a fish to fry so
i'm left trying to show the media it is a huge story.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by pepis

My oroginal intention was to write a story about the unopened packs
corruption ...

An honest request Jose: please hire fellow board member Barry Sloate to help with grammar before publishing the story. You will get a LOT more readers.