Just really upset

[keithsky]

People are so brainwashed they buy the item for the cert as PSA and JSA and that has been taked about many times before. It's sad but it's the way it is and collectors are the ones that let it happen. Sure you want a so called expert opinion but to me if Jim or Richard say it's goood why the heck would I send it to PSA or JSA. People think there item is easier to sell with PSA or JSA because the collector that hasn't heard of the other little guys won't take a chance and in there mind PSA and JSA authenticate everything with no mistakes. I would also take Richard and Jim and a few of the other guys on here over PSA and JSA a hundred times over the big 2 TPA.

[Bestdj777]

I rarely post on this side of the form. I listed a Mantle once and Christopher and Jarrod chimed in with opinions. I just wanted to thank you two again as well as the rest of you that are on here consistently offering your valuable services for free. After getting everyone's opinion on my Mantle, I happily returned it to the collection knowing without a doubt that it was authentic. Although that was the only instance I've solicited an opinion, I immensely appreciate the free education every one of the experts on here have provided. So, thank you all again for all of your assistance.

[Big Dave]

The reason PSA & JSA are so prominent and used is strictly because of ebay. If they don't say it's good....either via a letter of quick opinion....it will get pulled. This mostly applies to higher dollar items but even an item valued at a few hundred will get pulled. Have seen it happen many times.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

The reason PSA & JSA are so prominent and used is strictly because of ebay. If they don't say it's good....either via a letter of quick opinion....it will get pulled. This mostly applies to higher dollar items but even an item valued at a few hundred will get pulled. Have seen it happen many times.

Dave - you forgot about the big auction houses, all of them, except Lelands uses them. That carries a lot of weight in unknowing collectors minds and that is where the TPA's get their big money from.

[tjlives]

I mostly lurk because I lack the expertise of many around here, and I only buy autographs every now and again, but I would like to thank all of our "local" experts for sharing the information that they do free of charge. It's very informative - I usually pick something up even in the dozens of "Mickey, good or bad?" threads - and sometimes fascinating.

[dgo71]

As a new member, it took me about 30 seconds of looking through posts to understand that there are some real autograph heavyweights on this forum. After 25 years of collecting, I have some general knowledge on what some signatures look like but only a fraction of what the established members of this board have.

My bankroll isn't in the Ruth-Gehrig range, but I still like to have confidence in what I'm buying. In the short time I have been a member I've acquired a couple nice HOF autos in my price range based largely on opinions from some members here. I still feel a little apprehensive in asking for too many opinions as this is a skill that takes decades to hone and no one should expect this service to be handed out freely.

In short, thanks to everyone who takes the time to offer their insight. I truly appreciate any help that is offered.

[travrosty]

yep, and thats what needs to be changed, the closed shop of auction houses and ebay with the stranglehold on autographs so its not just a two companies duopoly with basically two men in the united states telling people if their autograph is good or not, when we have seen their track record. more qualified opinions are definitely in order but the online auction houses and brick and mortar auction houses have a vested interest to prevent that from happening.

if i would give a boxing coa, that coa would be pulled when it came to auction and replaced with a psa or jsa coa, so no one elses coa can ever get any traction because its psa or jsa at auction and nobody else, ever, or there is gonig to be trouble, so if anybody else even tries, no matter how respected, the defenders of psa and jsa will jump on their carcass and start pulling meat and the hyenas will swarm and the vultures circle to get them to fold before they could even get started.

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by keithsky

People are so brainwashed they buy the item for the cert as PSA and JSA and that has been taked about many times before. It's sad but it's the way it is and collectors are the ones that let it happen. Sure you want a so called expert opinion but to me if Jim or Richard say it's goood why the heck would I send it to PSA or JSA. People think there item is easier to sell with PSA or JSA because the collector that hasn't heard of the other little guys won't take a chance and in there mind PSA and JSA authenticate everything with no mistakes. I would also take Richard and Jim and a few of the other guys on here over PSA and JSA a hundred times over the big 2 TPA.

Hey did you just call Richard and I one of the LITTLE GUYS ????
On behalf of little guys everywhere we resent that remark
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[chaddurbin]

this might've been in reference of the recent ruth signature, and i agree with shelly's position.

i had a similar experience last month on my walter johnson signed piece with legendary. it came with a JSA loa, but after soliciting advices from the board i just did not feel comfortable paying for it, knowing full well that with the JSA letter i could turn around, sell it and recover all my money and maybe turn a profit. i didn't want to do that either knowing what i know, so now i'm banned from bidding with legendary.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

this might've been in reference of the recent ruth signature, and i agree with shelly's position.

i had a similar experience last month on my walter johnson signed piece with legendary. it came with a JSA loa, but after soliciting advices from the board i just did not feel comfortable paying for it, knowing full well that with the JSA letter i could turn around, sell it and recover all my money and maybe turn a profit. i didn't want to do that either knowing what i know, so now i'm banned from bidding with legendary.

Seems like they cut off their nose to spite their face.
You can buy from me anytime Chad,,, and (advertisement coming) I will have a nice new price list coming out in a few days with some very nice autographs.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Seems like they cut off their nose to spite their face.
You can buy from me anytime Chad,,, and (advertisement coming) I will have a nice new price list coming out in a few days with some very nice autographs.

Just remember when Richard wants to sell you an autograph he checks your bank account first.

[chaddurbin]

they stuck to their policy, and felt that was the necessary step. i'm not a big whale by any mean but have bidded and won off and on with them for 10 years. no big deal there are ways around it i just didn't want to pass that johnson on. it'll get resold again and the next guy w/o this forum's access will be happy with the sig and the JSA cert.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by shelly

Just remember when Richard wants to sell you an autograph he checks your bank account first.

But I do accept 3rd party postdated checks .
(a paraphrased line from Cheers for all those trivia buffs)

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

this might've been in reference of the recent ruth signature, and i agree with shelly's position.

i had a similar experience last month on my walter johnson signed piece with legendary. it came with a JSA loa, but after soliciting advices from the board i just did not feel comfortable paying for it, knowing full well that with the JSA letter i could turn around, sell it and recover all my money and maybe turn a profit. i didn't want to do that either knowing what i know, so now i'm banned from bidding with legendary.

Wow, sorry to hear about that Chad. But I'm glad that you had the piece of mind in not getting the auto because of the expertise of the members here. It's their loss, because they lost a great potential buyer.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

this might've been in reference of the recent ruth signature, and i agree with shelly's position.

i had a similar experience last month on my walter johnson signed piece with legendary. it came with a JSA loa, but after soliciting advices from the board i just did not feel comfortable paying for it, knowing full well that with the JSA letter i could turn around, sell it and recover all my money and maybe turn a profit. i didn't want to do that either knowing what i know, so now i'm banned from bidding with legendary.

Sorry that happened. I have to admit, I'm careful about how I talk about auction houses that I purchase regularly from. If I don't like something they've done, I first try to resolve it with them. If that gets me nowhere, I still try to be careful about how I bitch about the transaction publicly.

But I very much admire the fact that you did not blow it off, knowing that you could get your money back by keeping your opinion to yourself. I have a similar situation with a group of PSA/DNA autographs, and I decided to not keep pushing the auction house - they made it very clear that they didn't give a shit about my opinion, and that's something I will not forget. But when I re-sell the items, I will be honest about my opinion, and the bidders can buy PSA's opinion if they choose.

[keithsky]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Hey did you just call Richard and I one of the LITTLE GUYS ????
On behalf of little guys everywhere we resent that remark
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Sorry Jim, Didn't mean little guys like in stature just meant one of the little guys without all the overhead and waste the bigger guys have.

[JimStinson]

Just joking !!!! about the "little guys".... as for being banned from any company THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE GREAT STUFF TO BUY THAN YOU HAVE $$$$$$ TO BUY IT WITH Unless your last name is "Gates" or "Trump" and if it was you would not be banned....wear it as a BADGE OF HONOR..
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