1886/87 Old Judge Script Issue Spotted Ties

[oldjudge]

Jos Wood took the photographs that were used by Goodwin & Co in the spotted tie subset. The two cabinets that you have were from a team shoot of the 1886 Metropolitans, NY's American Association representative. Not every player whose photograph was taken made it into the spotted ties subset. I have an identical cabinet of Dude Esterbrook. He was on the Mets when these photos were taken, but was traded to the Giants before the issue of the spotted ties (solely a Mets issue). Because of this he does not have a spotted tie card.

[JJ McGraw]

Thank you, that is great information. That was my thought that these were the photos from the shoot for the cards. What would you estimate the value of these? The Cushman does have a complete border...that is me not placing them well when scanning. Thanks again, Mike

[oldjudge]

My guess (and it is a guess) as to value would be $1500-$2500 each.

[JJ McGraw]

That is the range I figured as there must not be as many of these out there as the cards themselves and again, they are the images the card used. I guess I'll need to hunt around for each players card to compliment this set of 2. Again, thanks for your info on all fronts, Mike

[triwak]

Many collectors (myself included) would consider these two items "cards." It's a very gray area prior to 1887, and sometimes CDVs and Studio Cabinets are the only way to obtain certain early players. Plus, they are cool as sh*t!!! Nice cards, Man!

[RCMcKenzie]

I also think that these are "baseball cards". Since you don't really collect Mets cards anyway, you could consign it to B & L and we can see what it goes for...

cheers

[Joe_G.]

Hello Mike,

Thanks for posting. I personally enjoy Studio Proofs and believe they are a better bargain than many alternatives. If you haven't already, take a look at Apendix 4 in the book (page 452). You'll see Joseph Wood is already listed as the photographer for the 1886 New York Mets. There were a couple other sets that made use of the Spotted Tie photos including G&B and the Yum Yums. I do believe Cushman and Foster do not appear in those sets however.

Many of the images can be see here:

http://www.sgccardregistry.com/set.a...1&userset=1190

http://www.sgccardregistry.com/set.a...0&userset=1188

[JJ McGraw]

Thanks Ken and RC.....I think they are great as well, especially now that I know "what" they are. I see everyone's point and agree, they are baseball cards for all intent and purposes.

Thank you Joe, not only for the great info, but for putting out a fantastic research book. Without your great reference source, I would have just thought these were two cabinets of early 1880's Giants. I wonder if the guy who sold them to me (a card dealer thru SCD Digest about 18-20 yrs ago) really knew what they were?

Upon reading your comments ,I immediately went to that appendix on photographers and I agree, these images, when compared to my N172 Ward , Murphy or others are a lot clearer image, as you say, as they are generation "1".
I'm glad everyone is enjoying the cards. My Old Judge collection is small, I have focused mainly on T205's and T 206's, but I enjoy what I have and may try to find the Old Judge card counterpart to these cabinets, although I'm sure they will be dear. Being new to the site , I'm enjoying the extreme helpfulness and joy others show for each others collections. Thanks guys! Mike