OT: No One Elected to the Hall?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Commissioner Vincent said they were not allowed in 1991.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/etick.../memos20051109

That may be the case. But saying something doesn't make it so. Especially without an enforcement program in place. Without a testing program, there was not a proper exemption process.

Given the injury history of many of these players, I guarantee many of them were on a steroid at some point. I also think that at some point McGwire would've received a medical exemption. However, he's an odd case, because he was certainly also using before it became a medical necessity for him..

Anyways. here's an interesting article about the league exemptions. And there appears to be a pattern forming with ADHD drugs..
http://deadspin.com/5964744/1-in-10-...ll-this-season

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/m...ositive-113012

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by novakjr

That may be the case. But saying something doesn't make it so. Especially without an enforcement program in place. Without a testing program, there was not a proper exemption process.

Given the injury history of many of these players, I guarantee many of them were on a steroid at some point. I also think that at some point McGwire would've received a medical exemption. However, he's an odd case, because he was certainly also using before it became a medical necessity for him..

Anyways. here's an interesting article about the league exemptions. And there appears to be a pattern forming with ADHD drugs..
http://deadspin.com/5964744/1-in-10-...ll-this-season

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/m...ositive-113012

Maybe Barry or McGwire can show the prescription their doctor wrote for them, but I'm guessing they acquired their drugs from a juicehead at the local gym...not exactly the method most would use who have a legitimate medical condition.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Maybe Barry or McGwire can show the prescription their doctor wrote for them, but I'm guessing they acquired their drugs from a juicehead at the local gym...not exactly the method most would use who have a legitimate medical condition.

Barry's different, dude flat out juiced.

Mac definitely juiced. After the nagging injuries in '93 and '94, I believe he would've been able to receive an exemption though. But that's irrelevant because he was already using anyways. I wouldn't hold the Andro over him either. It was sold over the counter, and the government didn't even categorize it as a steroid until 2004.. Again though, that's also irrelevant because of previous use..

I'm just saying that there were probably a number of players who could've been granted an exemption. IF you were to know what current players have legitimately been granted exemptions, would you hold it over them?

[ctownboy]

Novakjr,

The reason testing wasn't implemented was because Bud Selig (and a couple of other owners) staged a palace coup and caused Fay Vincent to resign as Commissioner.

Vincent sent out a seven page letter stating that steroids were illegal in baseball. The problem was, baseball was in the middle of their agreement with the players and implementing rules against steroids and having a testing program would have meant opening up the collective bargaining agreement and putting the rules in. The owners didn't want to do that. They wanted to wait until the next bargaining session.

The problem with that was Selig and Reinsdorf got a no confidence vote against Vincent and Vincent resigned (with Selig taking over as acting Commissioner). So, the next time contract negotiations came up, Selig was in charge and he said NOTHING about steroids and testing. Therefor, a new contract was in place an no testing was implemented.

Selig COULD have stopped this mess before it started but he didn't. That is why I laugh at him for the mess baseball is currently in.

David

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Novakjr,

The reason testing wasn't implemented was because Bud Selig (and a couple of other owners) staged a palace coup and caused Fay Vincent to resign as Commissioner.

Vincent sent out a seven page letter stating that steroids were illegal in baseball. The problem was, baseball was in the middle of their agreement with the players and implementing rules against steroids and having a testing program would have meant opening up the collective bargaining agreement and putting the rules in. The owners didn't want to do that. They wanted to wait until the next bargaining session.

The problem with that was Selig and Reinsdorf got a no confidence vote against Vincent and Vincent resigned (with Selig taking over as acting Commissioner). So, the next time contract negotiations came up, Selig was in charge and he said NOTHING about steroids and testing. Therefor, a new contract was in place an no testing was implemented.

Selig COULD have stopped this mess before it started but he didn't. That is why I laugh at him for the mess baseball is currently in.

David

+1, Selig is a dog