OT: No One Elected to the Hall?

[cardaholic]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

I'm going to go on a limb and say, Tim Wakefield.

I'll go with Juan Pierre.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

It will be curious to see how things turn out. To me, Biggio and Piazza should be locks to get in, while Clemens and Bonds should be denied with a vengence. I suppose we'll know later today. Regardless of who gets in or is denied, I won't loose any sleep over it. The Hall has lost its luster in my view.

[barrysloate]

A straw poll taken about a month ago gave Bonds less than 40% of the vote, and Clemens even less than that. So their chances are virtually zero.

[h2oya311]

Excluding the announcers, with the three most recent inducties, we'll have an even 300 HOFers. It would be nice to lock it in there at 300 and add no more. Seriously, adding more will simply make me broke (see my collection focus). That said, I 100% agree that Biggio and Piazza will be enshrined this summer bringing the total to 302. I'm hoping the others on the ballot get at least one year to wallow in self-mysery, like time-out for a toddler.

It feels like the "REAL" HOF is comprised of those that made it into the Hall the first year they were eligible via BBWA, well, at least in the last few decades. Clemens and others, if they get in, will have to be "second-ballot" HOFers, which is like a lower class HOF.

The American way of "innocent until proven guilty" makes this whole process very difficult, since most players have never been proven guilty of taking PEDs, there have only been rumors of guilt. Since we'll never "know" who took PED's during the era, do we actually assign a "guilty until proven innocent" mantra? I doubt it. Suspicion of PED-use cannot dictate whether or not a player gets in, in my opinion. Then again, it's the BBWA that decides, so I'm guessing that I'd be a minority if I were a voter.

[Peter_Spaeth]

How many players in the Hall used amphetamines in the "Ball Four" days?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many players in the Hall used amphetamines in the "Ball Four" days?

LOL, pretty much all of them, including Mays, Aaron and Mantle.

[CMIZ5290]

I know it's a long shot, but I would love to see Dale Murphy get in. Yes, his stats are not as good as others, but his character and integrity are second to none.

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I know it's a long shot, but I would love to see Dale Murphy get in. Yes, his stats are not as good as others, but his character and integrity are second to none.

+1

[insidethewrapper]

I didn't know steroids improved your eyesight and eye-hand coordination. You still have to hit the ball. Besides, it wasn't ever against any rules back then. Nothing was in place. I'm not saying it was right , but it wasn't against the rules. The best of that era should still get into the HOF.

Gaylord Perry actually cheated against the rules and he is in !
Players use Ritalin to concentrate better, and eye surgery to see better. Didn't Tiger Woods have lasik to improve to 20/10 eyesight. Doesn't this give these players an advantage making contact with the ball ! Why is it OK to improve by these means and not others ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

LOL, pretty much all of them, including Mays, Aaron and Mantle.

I suppose they only enabled performance, not enhanced it. I get it.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I suppose they only enabled performance, not enhanced it. I get it.

I would think that any drug that enables performance, pretty much by definition, also enhances said performance. I'm glad you get it because I sure don't.