OT: No One Elected to the Hall?

[jcmtiger]

The HOF voting will be announced tomorrow 1/9/2013. That is Keith writing an article tongue in cheek. This year could be the largest inducted in a long time.

Joe

[Jlighter]

These were linked to the article.

http://baseballpastandpresent.com/20...tion-forecast/

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...llecting_gizmo

[Runscott]

"I am not casting stones from inside the glass house. I’m guilty, too. It was the day they gave the 1986 A.L. Rookie of the Year award to Canseco (whose moral standing in this mess has gradually gone from last place to about 4th from the top because he alone was utterly, if mercenarily, honest). One of the runners-up told me off-the-record “you do know that Canseco uses those drugs they give to the East German Women Swimmers, right?”

He didn’t even know they were called steroids.

I did what digging I could, and kept an ear to the ground, but how many sources were enough to tell that story?But in 1988, just after Ben Johnson was thrown out of the Seoul Olympics for a positive steroid test, I got a series of four sources – including some of her opponents – who told me that Florence Griffith-Joyner was just as steeped in scandal as was Johnson. I promptly went out and butchered the story. I was trying to write a revelation that should have sounded like “other Olympic runners say this” and included a recitation of the math that she was now breaking records so profoundly and so quickly that if the pace continued, by the year 2188, a runner would actually finish a race before she started it. Instead, I turned it into something that sounded like “I think she’s on them drug things.” She and her crew threatened suit, I retracted the story, and not long after Thomas Boswell of The Washington Post had the same experience with his “Canseco Cocktail” story. As well-meaning as we each were in trying to expose the putrid mess, we both set back its revelation by some (presumably small) degree. I’m sorry."

Olberman always has great stories to tell you about what he had first-hand knowledge of, after he's been scooped. Way too whiny, and now he tries to throw a legitimate writer under the bus. I think Tom Boswell can speak for himself, and he's probably thinking that right about now.

[EvilKing00]

most of them did it some were cought some werent, the coaches, owners and MLB didnt care. So ..... I would of done it to if no one cared and I would get payed more money.

you cant watch your kid eat a bag of cookies before dinner and then as hes eating the last one yell at him.

[HRBAKER]

They're the ones who decided they needed to cheat to compete. Now they are just paying the piper.

[Joe_G.]

I'm considering heading to the HOF this summer to see Deacon White's enshrinement. I think it would be fantastic if no one were elected by the BB Writer's Association of America. It would seem fitting that Deacon joins with Hank O'Day, Jacob Ruppert, and no one else. Sharing the day with Bonds or Clemens, for example, wouldn't set as well with me. A shutout by the BBWAA would serve the steriod era players right (hopefully first of many shutouts). Perhaps the HOF will make a bigger deal over the Veterans Committee vote if that is all they have this year. Lastly, the town may not be as crazy for my visit this July. So here's to hoping for a BBWAA shutout

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

I'm considering heading to the HOF this summer to see Deacon White's enshrinement. I think it would be fantastic if no one were elected by the BB Writer's Association of America. It would seem fitting that Deacon joins with Hank O'Day, Jacob Ruppert, and no one else. Sharing the day with Bonds or Clemens, for example, wouldn't set as well with me. A shutout by the BBWAA would serve the steriod era players right (hopefully first of many shutouts). Perhaps the HOF will make a bigger deal over the Veterans Committee vote if that is all they have this year. Lastly, the town may not be as crazy for my visit this July. So here's to hoping for a BBWAA shutout

Don't forget the wild crowds that the Ford C Frink and Spinks award winners bring into town.

Nothing against you Joe because everyone does it, but I'd like to see one person positively identify a clean player during the "steroid era". You can't, I can't and no one here can name one person that was 100% without a doubt clean, so why even bother naming names. As soon as one player from the era was voted in, you opened the door for them all as far as I'm concerned. I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying there is at least one PED user in the Hall already and I don't even have to venture a guess, it's just very highly likely by now.

[ctownboy]

"most of them did it some were cought some werent, the coaches, owners and MLB didnt care.".

EK, this is where you and a lot of other people are wrong.

Back then, (1991) the Commissioner knew things were going on and even had rules in place that banned steroids and PEDs. The problem was, the Players Association DID NOT want those rules, accept those rules or have their players vote on those rules. Why, because the players KNEW if they performed better that they would get paid more. So why would they vote against their own self interest?

So, the players didn't want to vote for banning steroids and other PEDs and to implement testing. On the other side, the owners didn't want to make a fuss about steroids because they KNEW the players didn't want testing and would probably go on strike if such a ban and testing were put in place. So, to keep the peace, the owners went along with the players.

So, in my opinion, ANY player who took steroids shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame and that is because they have already been rewarded with higher pay than they should have gotten and maybe even a longer life in baseball. For those who say that steroids didn't help everybody. I say false.

That is because compensation for Free Agents and for Salary Arbitration went up and THOSE numbers are based on the performance of your peers. So, for instance, if a player like Barry Bonds uses and gets paid more then people who perform just below his level will get a pay raise when they are Free Agents. Or, if a young guy puts up numbers like somebody just below Bonds then the agent for that player will submit his salary request to the Arbitrators and will use the stats of the other player/s as comparables and put in a high number for his salary request.

Nope, if I were in charge of MLB, I would consider EVERYBODY who played from 1991 (when Fay Vincent wrote the seven page set of rules) to 2004 (when the actual rules, testing and penalties were finally adopted) guilty and I would BAN THEM ALL. When I say ban, I mean not only from the Hall of Fame but also from ANY job in MLB or the Minors. I would also make them have to get special permission to even show up at a Major League stadium (like Pete Rose does now).

After I did this, I would say the ONLY way they would be allowed back in is if they submit to not only lie detector tests but actual brain scans. This way, if a person were lying about taking steroids or PEDs (I think a lot of guys would) then even if they passed a lie detector test (sociopaths often can) they probably couldn't pass a brain scan.

Brain scans have been able to show changes in a persons brain when they are lying even if the lie detector test doesn't. By doing this, we could weed out the people lying from those telling the truth and get a better idea of who put up numbers they wouldn't otherwise have if they hadn't used steroids.

Now, I know some guys who have a lot of money and/or who are sociopaths wont take the tests and wont care if they are banned. But a LOT of other former players will want to take these tests. A) because they either want to show they were clean and they don't want their names to be forever darkened with the idea that they MIGHT have used or B) because they actually want to get into the HOF or they actually want to work in MLB and be around the teams and players.

By doing this, a lot of guesswork would be taken out of who did and didn't cheat. Then the writers would have an easier time of deciding who deserves to be in the HOF and who doesn't and they can have a foot to stand on, at least for arguments sake, if they vote for a guy who admitted to using steroids.

David