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01-08-2013, 12:56 PM
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I just remembered I had this, its an 1899-1900 (would be preseason 1900, around early spring) cabinet photo of the Polo Grounds and Manhattan Field with the wall in question clearly visible. Looks like there is white paint on it for some reason but its the same spot behind Matty in the photo. I dont know if this helps or not but here it is.
Rhys 
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01-08-2013, 05:59 PM
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I would not put any faith in that photo with the dark hat and socks being from the Polo Grounds. I bet anything that was a stock photo used for a 1901 article for a game at the Polo Grounds (if even that specific) and that info was just reprinted in the book as it appeared in the newspaper. It is a neat picture but without anything concrete to pinpoint it to the Polo grounds, it is almost certainly an away photo used to report on a home game (stock photo of Matty). Reporters just did not take many pictures of Baseball players back in the day and one or two pictures would be all they had on file so they would use the same photo over and over again for whatever purpose they needed.
I bet you get the same price on it for resale whether its 1900 or 1901 or 1902 or 1903 because they all predate his 1903 Breisch Williams Baseball card so c. 1901 would cover your bases and I doubt there is any way to get more specific than that given the primitive nature of late 19th century/early 20th century Baseball photography. Its a beautiful photo! Rhys
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01-08-2013, 06:25 PM
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Here's another photo from that era also stamped by Culver Pictures. For what it's worth, I like yours better.
http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...ntoryid=109536 
Last edited by Jaybird; 01-08-2013 at 06:30 PM.
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01-08-2013, 06:45 PM
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Thank you Rhys.
The fact that the Okkonen Mathewson photo above may be a stock photo means that Mathewson wore a dark hat and dark socks some point before - either 1900 or early 1901. Our popular uniform resources need updating to reflect pictures we have of Giants playing with dark hats and socks in 1900, 1901, and perhaps 1902 at home as an alternate home. Where is the Net 54 research intern, Leon? (We should really do this) I have a feeling the Bucknell Polo Grounds photo is from spring 1901 or spring 1902, before the opening, northern spring training. I believe the hat Mathewson is wearing is a Giants hat. the fact that the hat is being worn in a practice, or practice game, in northern spring training may explain wearing an away cap, if it is indeed an away cap. and the picture being from before the season in 1901 would explain the ads not matching up during the 1901 season. otherwise I am 100% certain it is 1900 or 1902. unless it is a special Bucknell visit to the Polo Grounds in 1899, I do not have the ads for 1899 either -but we have no evidence of such a 99 visit occuring. The tunnel pictured behind Mathewson is replaced with seats, in addition to other structural changes in stadium configuration, after the 1903 season, see Graig's earlier posting. and the ads do not match up in 1903 at the beginning or end of the season, and do not match up during 1901. will continue to keep an eye out for ads from 99-02. I received the photo today. Hard to let go. it is so clear. and I love that Im Ready signal - iconic of a quiet leader. My family were Giants fans then, they may have been there watching, on that vast muddy grass field with the horses forming the out of play line in the outfield.
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