PSA 8 Old Judge cards in Goodwin auction now?

[drc]

I thought BMW Cards has a SGC Mint Old Judge pulled from a pack.

[atx840]

WOW is right..thanks for sharing Jim

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by atx840

WOW is right..thanks for sharing Jim

+1 Beautiful cards.

If I collected those I would be searching for examples like Jim's (shown), excellent images regardless of what the flip says. I would say every one of those are high grade; I can see why OJ collectors would get frustrated with how OJ's are currently graded. Of course you would take every aspect of the card into account, but I would think the clearness of the image would (should) be the main focus point.

Sincerely, Clayton

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by drc

I thought BMW Cards has a SGC Mint Old Judge pulled from a pack.

I thought it was Gem Mint, and I thought there was significant eyebrows raised, as the card has a noticeable tobacco stain on the back.

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

I thought it was Gem Mint, and I thought there was significant eyebrows raised, as the card has a noticeable tobacco stain on the back.

Indeed -- here was the write-up on the card when it was available for sale a decade ago:

1887 N172 Old Judge C. Alcott (Taken from Old Judge Pack) ................ SGC 98 - $10,000

Among all of the grading companies, there are literally only a handful of N172 Old Judge singles graded Mint. However, there is ONLY ONE GEM MINT 10. Furthermore, this Gem Mint 10 is the only known example that was found in a completely intact and unopened Old Judge Cigarette package. In fact, it is unlikely that another such find has occurred in the last 100 years. As such, it is, and always will be the only Pedigreed Gem Mint 10 example. In fact, SGC, which is the strictest grader of 19th Century baseball cards, has never even graded a Mint 9!

While no card is completely flawless, this card is significantly nicer than any other known N172. First, This is the only Old Judge with four original, razor sharp, Gem Mint, and Perfect corners! The imagery is unquestionably superb. The contrast, focus and registration are absolutely incredible. Furthermore, the edges are fresh and clean and the reverse is literally fresh-from-the-pack! The clarity of the depicted Charles Alcott, third baseman for Mansfield (the only Mansfield player in the set!), is absolutely stunning. Remember, while the only auctioned PSA Mint 9 Old Judge climbed to more than $30,000.00 on eBay, this vastly superior example embodies GEM MINT 10 PERFECTION!

[oldjudge]

I once owned this card. These were not just minor tobacco stains, the back was dark brown from being next to the cigarettes for over one hundred years. My guess is that the card would grade quite low by today's standards. However, the image is beautiful and that was all I cared about.

[cyseymour]

There is also a PSA 9 O'Rourke with a tobacco stain on the reverse, which I once owned. Smashing card in every other respect. I was told that the card was from a Kentucky(?) find in the mid-nineties, so clearly it was graded early. Standards have really tightened up since then, I don't what it would grade today, but it's still a beautiful card.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

There is also a PSA 9 O'Rourke with a tobacco stain on the reverse, which I once owned. Smashing card in every other respect. I was told that the card was from a Kentucky(?) find in the mid-nineties, so clearly it was graded early. Standards have really tightened up since then, I don't what it would grade today, but it's still a beautiful card.

I'd love to see a scan if you have one, sounds like a great card!

[cyseymour]

http://robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2009/34.html