Cleveland Naps Real Photo Postcard - Help w/ Player IDs

[milkit1]

Not sure how well this will show up. Here is either the 09 or 10 naps. There isn't anyone even close to looking like the guy other then young. I agree he appears younger but might just be the angle or lighting. Probably no way to really know but it's fun to look into!

[judsonhamlin]

Presuming this is an early 1909 shot, can anyone ID the umpire? Maybe Silk O'Laughlin? Can't find photos of Kerin or Egan, but we can rule out Sheridan, Connolly, Hurst and Dinneen. That leaves Silk, Evans or Perrine.
The only reason I thought the closest figure might be the catcher was what looked to be a larger glove on his left hand.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

The only reason I thought the closest figure might be the catcher was what looked to be a larger glove on his left hand.

Most Deadball Era first baseman's gloves looked like somewhat smaller versions of catcher's mitts.

[judsonhamlin]

I think the game might have been one of the April 22-24, 1909 series vs. St. Louis at Cleveland. Bob Rhoades lost the home opener on the 22nd.
Some quick look ups also show Joss as the starter on the 22nd and Cy Young starting on the 23rd. A pitcher named Sitton started the 24th. So, could this be 4/23/09? o'Laughlin and Kerin umpired the game.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by milkit1

There isn't anyone even close to looking like the guy other then [Cy] Young.

First you have to appreciate how difficult it is to have a definite ID on a face so lacking in detail (below left is what we are dealing with from Greenmonster's scan). I don't claim to be certain, but he could just as well be Glenn Liebhart who pitched a lot of games in 1908 (below center and right).

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

First you have to appreciate how difficult it is to have a definite ID on a face so lacking in detail (below left is what we are dealing with from Greenmonster's scan). I don't claim to be certain, but he could just as well be Glenn Liebhart who pitched a lot of games in 1908 (below center and right).

Can you post a similar pic of yyoung? I cant photo edit but I don't see it being liebhardt.

[nolemmings]

can anyone ID the umpire? Maybe Silk O'Laughlin? Can't find photos of Kerin or Egan, but we can rule out Sheridan, Connolly, Hurst and Dinneen. That leaves Silk, Evans or Perrine.

It's not O'Laughlin or Billy Evans.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by milkit1

Can you post a similar pic of yyoung? I cant photo edit but I don't see it being liebhardt.

OK