Mantle opinion please

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by Paulanthony

No good. 1 and 3 are good

You guys are really good---the 2nd Mantle looks close to the first Mantle--I know the last e is different and the 1st M is a bit different---but when Mantle was signing 500 autos a day, dont u think his signature would vary abit---plus he maybe he had a few sips on his break---but this forum is the right place to ask questions like this on signatures---Great Job guys.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Donscards

You guys are really good---the 2nd Mantle looks close to the first Mantle--I know the last e is different and the 1st M is a bit different...

You are just looking at "shape", which is relatively close. But on close exam, the second exemplar (a common forgery style) is slowly drawn, whereas the first is quickly and smoothly executed.

[RichardSimon]

The stupidest seller I ever met once offered me a Babe Ruth autograph that had a Scoreboard COA with it. The sellers don't get any dumber then that.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by Donscards

You guys are really good---the 2nd Mantle looks close to the first Mantle--I know the last e is different and the 1st M is a bit different---but when Mantle was signing 500 autos a day, dont u think his signature would vary abit---plus he maybe he had a few sips on his break---but this forum is the right place to ask questions like this on signatures---Great Job guys.

I think it is also important to note that this print is a commonly forged medium as Shelly alluded too.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

I think it is also important to note that this print is a commonly forged medium as Shelly eluded too.

James,

Do not want to be picayune, but the correct word is 'alluded' which means suggested or implied. Eluded means escaped or avoided such as 'The fact that this signature was a forgery eluded the experts at JSA and PSA/DNA.' I am married to an editor and I edit scholarly articles for a good friend.

The second part is just an example for humor. I have no dog in the TPA discussion. All of their employees combined don't have the knowledge I have in Olympic signatures which is my sole area of advanced knowledge or 'expertise' if you will. Not ego, just truth.


Cheers and Feliz Año Nuevo

Michael

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by Michael B

James,

Do not want to be picayune, but the correct word is 'alluded' which means suggested or implied. Eluded means escaped or avoided such as 'The fact that this signature was a forgery eluded the experts at JSA and PSA/DNA.' I am married to an editor and I edit scholarly articles for a good friend.

The second part is just an example for humor. I have no dog in the TPA discussion. All of their employees combined don't have the knowledge I have in Olympic signatures which is my sole area of advanced knowledge or 'expertise' if you will. Not ego, just truth.


Cheers and Feliz Año Nuevo

Michael

I stand corrected and I thank you for the help and I mean that.

[Plinvestments]

Originally Posted by Donscards

You guys are really good---the 2nd Mantle looks close to the first Mantle--I know the last e is different and the 1st M is a bit different---but when Mantle was signing 500 autos a day, dont u think his signature would vary abit---plus he maybe he had a few sips on his break---but this forum is the right place to ask questions like this on signatures---Great Job guys.

The "y" is the giveaway. It doesn't show the swiftness of a real Mantle.

[kengoldin]

BTW, while on the subject of Mantle. Mantle and Dimaggio were the BEST for me as far as consistency went. Dimaggio signed 1600 items a month, Mantle signed about 1500 a month. each for 2 or more years per the contract. If shown all 1500-1600 items they signed in any given monthly session, i truly would not be able to pick out the first signed, the 500th, or the 1600th. Both were the model of neatness, and consistency