1907-1910 Weiser Wonder - Walter Johnson PC, new to the hobby

[Eric72]

As it pertains to the sepia toned version of the WaJo, I am willing to admit the evidence seems overwhelming that it is printed on Azo paper.

I would still like to see a sharper image of that card; however, tip my hat to those who know more than I and applaud their findings.

The, "photograph of a photograph" theory currently makes more sense to me than any other idea floated here thus far, especially considering the truncated wording along the bottom of the image. If this is indeed the case, it brings up an interesting question. Would that issue simply be a reprint? Granted, quite an old reprint, but a reprint nonetheless...interesting to ponder.

One last thought...does anyone know of Azo paper being used for non photo postcards? I do not; however, I am only a collector and not an expert.

I offer my sincere thanks to everyone here for the discussion. I truly appreciate hearing everyone's point of view and learning along the way.

Respectfully,

Eric

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by Eric72

One last thought...does anyone know of Azo paper being used for non photo postcards? I do not; however, I am only a collector and not an expert.

This is a good point, I guess it would be possible for someone to ink print on photo paper, maybe to help give the illusion of a photograph. I really wish a board member owned the Sepia card so we could know for sure. I mean, it REALLY looks printed to me.

I once owned a RPPC that was a photo of a photo and it didn't look grainy like the Wajo does. More blur, but no grain.

[Bicem]

from metropostcard.com...

Some publishers printed cards with ink to closely resemble real photo postcards. They usually have a glossy surface that reflects light off the darkly printed areas in a similar manner to the silver deposits on a photograph. Other cards were sometimes printed matte but on a textured paper to look similar to salted photos. A rough paper surface can hide tell tale characteristics of printing ink. These cards were not created to deceive the buyer, for on close examination the differences were often easy to see, but meant to entice those interested in photo cards to find these appealing as well.

H.H. Stratton - These cards were produced with a real photo back but the image is printed with an obvious halftone screen.

[slidekellyslide]

I buy and sell thousands of postcards per year (not baseball)...there are commercially produced real photo postcards..mostly European. I have never once seen a printed postcard with an AZO back. There are photos of photos, photos of paintings, and just about any other thing you can think of printed on real photo paper.

Here is a recent example of a Titanic real photo postcard I sold that was just a photo of a painting...I got 5 of these in a recent estate auction so they were most likely made for commercial purposes, but almost surely were made by a photographer to make a few bucks on the disaster.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370715700734...84.m1559.l2649

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I buy and sell thousands of postcards per year (not baseball)...there are commercially produced real photo postcards..mostly European. I have never once seen a printed postcard with an AZO back. There are photos of photos, photos of paintings, and just about any other thing you can think of printed on real photo paper.

Here is a recent example of a Titanic real photo postcard I sold that was just a photo of a painting...I got 5 of these in a recent estate auction so they were most likely made for commercial purposes, but almost surely were made by a photographer to make a few bucks on the disaster.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370715700734...84.m1559.l2649

Dan,

Thank you very much for providing this information and sharing your expertise...both are greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Eric

[martindl]

I don't have anything to add really other than to say I too have been dealing with postcards for years and have never seen AZO back non-photo postcards either.

[Bicem]

Me neither, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. I'm not saying it is printed (can't tell for sure w/o seeing a close up of it), it's just that I've never seen a rppc with so much grain.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Would that issue simply be a reprint? Granted, quite an old reprint, but a reprint nonetheless...interesting to ponder.

Just curious...is this a reprint? Specifically, was it a RPPC of the original? If so, what would that do to the value?

Best,

Eric

[VintageBall]

Good question. It's definitely not a reprint in the classic sense of the term, in that it isn't an exact replica of the earlier card. It just uses the same image as the original PC and cabinet, and all evidence seems to it being issued much, much later.

It's worth what someone will pay for it. And in this case at least two bidders really wanted it. Of course, the question is did they get all amped up because of subject matter; or because of the original postcard showing the same image; or even because of the prices this card has realized before when sold in big auctions without the other Idaho postcards readily reviewable by clicking "see other items" form the same seller.

Here's an example of an early real photo postcard reproducing a famous photograph from the 1880s. What's it worth? Who knows? But if the purchaser of yesterday's Walter Johnson is interested, it will happily be available :

[Bicem]

A Robert S. sighting! This makes me happy.

[Bicem]

Bumping one of my favorite threads...

Another chance to grab a sepia one (is this the same one that sold on ebay?)...

Many mistakes/assumptions made in the description but what really baffles me is the PSA label. Did they really make the same date mistake again? Walter Johnson's postcard? Did he own this one too?

http://goodwinandco.com/Extremely-Ra...-LOT27844.aspx

[Baseball Rarities]

Yes, that is the same one that was on ebay. I remember the writing on the back.

[Hankphenom]

This did not belong to Johnson, and if that's what they intend by "Walter Johnson's Postcard," it's another of the many mistakes in the slabbing and hyperventilated description of this card.

[ValKehl]

I know next to nothing about dating PCs, however, per this source http://www.playle.com/realphoto/photoall.php the style of the AZO stamp box on the back dates the Weiser Wonder WaJo PC in Goodwin's current auction to the years 1910 - 1930.
Val