Brooklyn CDV

[oldjudge]

Leon--a color photocopy of what image? These don't pop up every day. It doesn't look like a color photocopy of the LOC image as it is not clear enough.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Leon--a color photocopy of what image? These don't pop up every day. It doesn't look like a color photocopy of the LOC image as it is not clear enough.

I just got a message that said the Lelands execs that looked at it thought it was a color Xerox. That is all and I have no other info. You might contact Josh or Mike Heff.ner for more info.

[Jacklitsch]

Rhys +1

[Runscott]

If Leland's said it's a fake, then it's a fake.

I also can't believe SGC slabbed it, and I won't believe it until I see an image of this card in an SGC slab.

This isn't something that either Leland's or SGC would have missed. Also not something that any of the photograph collectors I respect would have missed - it's just not possible to slip a copy by anyone with a decent eye, unless you actually use a real photograph, and even that's not going to be easy unless it's a damned good one that reasonably approximates an actual albumen.

[GaryPassamonte]

The one thing that keeps coming back to me about this CdV is why the individual that put it on ebay started it at $.99 and why he didn't take one of the many substantial offers he had for it at that time. If he was trying to perpetuate a fraud, he would have taken the money and run.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

The one thing that keeps coming back to me about this CdV is why the individual that put it on ebay started it at $.99 and why he didn't take one of the many substantial offers he had for it at that time. If he was trying to perpetuate a fraud, he would have taken the money and run.

The disclosure from the auction house says the person who put it on eBay did take one of the offers he had for it.

[GaryPassamonte]

Back to square one, Corey.

[Saco River Auction]

Due to overwelming speculation and debate I have decided to heed the advice of one of my customers(thanks Jay) and have the card examined by a recognized expert in 19th century photography. I have an appointment on January 7th with Paul Messier of Boston who is a world renowned expert in photography and photographic process.

He will inspect the card to determine whether this is a "laser copy". He will also determine if there is the microscopic presence of gold an silver using xray technology and this will give us the absolute answer to all of our questions. He will also provide documentation in support of his scientific findings. I had hoped to put this issue to rest earlier than January 7th, however Mr. Messier is booked until that date. On Monday December 24th I am going to post photos of the SGC slabbed card for all of you who do not believe that it has been authenticated, and this will allow all of you to inspect the work performed so far.

As far as the 99 cent auction speculation, it is true that my seller did put it on ebay and was offered pretty good sums of money to end it. However he is an intelligent man who buys and sells for a living and decided to find out what he had. He then decided to sell the card to his partner. It was his partner who sent it to Leland's for their auction. When the card was returned by leland's the partner requested his money back as it was deemed a fake. My seller gave his partner the money back and mailed me the card for further inspection. I sent the card out not knowing the entire story at the time. I am still very certain that this card is real and SGC has confirmed that. Unfortunately I do not feel comfortable moving forward without getting a second opinion. I respect and appreciate all of the members of this forum and as an auction house we cannot proceed with even an ounce of doubt. In this business your reputation is all you have and it is paramount that all of the questions and rumors are put to rest prior to the sale.

This unfortunately is going to change the timing of the auction for this card. If this card is in fact genuine as we believe, we will have to postpone the auction until March 6 2013. This will allow the scientific process to be completed and adequate time for marketing.

I thank you all for your patience in this process as we all want to know the truth.

Troy Thibodeau
Saco River Auction