Which of these two Minor League sets has the fewest remaining examples?

[brianp-beme]

Over the years I have definitely noticed a lot more of the Obak cabinets. However, I also have a PCL collecting bent, so that might make them pop up in my mind's eye more readily (very familiar with how the regular issue Obaks look compared to the Old Mill issues).

In conclusion I would say T4's beat out H801-7 (even the ACC designation is barely recognizable) by a decent amount. They are both tough to come by, for crying out loud and a popsicle stick.

Brian

[wonkaticket]

Brian, please watch your language. This is a family place.

[Vintagecatcher]

Thanks for the comments gentlemen.

Good to see you back on the board Barry!

In September of 2010, Steve Verkman had 19 OMCs in his Cleansweep Auction. Unfortunately, he sold them as a single lot.

Likewise, Lew Lipset had a large auction of 22 T4s in his April 2005 auction, which he sold as individual lots. My Berry T4 sold in that auction.

I'm pretty sure that multiple examples exist for the Weaver T4 and the OMC Laughlin which has at least two examples. I also remember the Revelle collector mentioning that there are probably at least 4 Revelle Cabinets known.

I am putting together a virtual library of scans from both sets. Don't have it completed yet, but I guess that around 40-45 examples from each set are known. Of course there could be much larger holdings hidden in old time collections.


Patrick

[Leon]

My vote, from watching the hobby quite a bit over the last 17 yrs, is that there are more T4s than Old Mill Cabinets.

[barrysloate]

Thanks Patrick. Didn't remember the Verkman lot, but I still think OM's are scarcer.

[wonkaticket]

From what I have gathered on T4’s there seems to be about 6 players that have a few copies floating in T4. They are Shehan, Carlisle, Weaver, J Ryan, Mundorff and Kuhn.

I’m sure there are others but the above I have confirmed pictures of. I have about 52 images of these some dups if you would like.

In regards to Weaver there are 3 1/2 known copies that I’m aware of one with back damage from a scrap book. Mine below and one with a pin hole where the Weaver is crooked in the oval frame, also has minor back damage I was told. I have heard about a trimmed to the oval version like your Tiedemann but haven’t seen it.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

John

[wonkaticket]

Interesting to note that on two of the Weavers mine and the back damaged one. The bats appear on the right whereas most T4’s the bats appear on the left. I have identified 5 T4’s where the bats are on the right the bulk of the rest are all on the left.

The 5 with bats on the right are Spencer, Weaver (2), Moskiman, Shehan (1).



Doubt it’s of any major significance but thought it was neat.

Cheers,

John

[baseballart]

I can't comment on the numbers between the two groups, but on the T4s, I've never seen a Victoria or Vancouver example. I believe the standard catalog lists a Victoria player (Dashwood?), but I don't know anyone who has ever seen one as well.

Max