Piedmont 150 plate scratch(es) progress

[toppcat]

After all this it would be pretty funny if the Plank was indeed suffering from plate problems and was pulled!

[tedzan]

Dave

If the T206 Plank was yanked due to "printing plate problems", then why isn't he featured on any other Tobacco cards printed at American
Lithographic (T3, T201, T202, T205, T213, T214, or T215) ?

The real story is that Eddie Plank and his boss, Connie Mack, were anti-tobacco guys. But, they did not go public about this as Wagner did.
They just did not give ATC permission to print their images on these tobacco cards.

Best regards,

TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Ted, no offense but that is not the “real” story nobody knows the “real” story all we have is theories. Your theory is as good as most but it’s not iron clad fact.

[Pat R]

Steve,

Not my cards but it seems there are three different Neal Ball plate scratches.
I found a bunch of the first one (10 or more) and two each of the other two.
Here are two of each of them.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Ted, no offense but that is not the “real” story nobody knows the “real” story all we have is theories. Your theory is as good as most but it’s not iron clad fact.

John

Not a theory.....this is documented in Connie Mack's biography. A 2nd source is Connie Mack's Grandson, Connie Mack III. I had a nice conversation with him
at a Philadelphia A's Historical Society Luncheon about 10 years ago. He told me that his Grandfather was very anti-tobacco. He signed my 1950 A's Program.





Furthermore, I came across an article several years ago on Eddie Plank, which noted that Plank would not endorse tobacco products. I guess his RAMLY card
is an exception to this.


TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Ted sorry I disagree it is a theory you have. There’s nothing wrong with that but it isn’t fact and does not close the case on the T206 Plank. No matter how nice Mr. Mack’s grandson was or how delightful the tuna salad was at the luncheon. I don’t know if you had tuna salad or not it’s just my theory.

Ted, there are more exceptions to consider than T204. There is T216, T208, and Punch Cigars etc.

It’s an interesting theory Ted and I think it’s as good as any but I think it’s dangerous and a bit early to say case closed. There is also no way for you to say case closed either if you’re being honest. We just don’t know enough about this card or Mr. Planks views on his inserts let alone his motives if he had any at all regarding these.

[Pat R]

Pelty

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

It’s an interesting theory Ted and I think it’s as good as any but I think it’s dangerous and a bit early to say case closed. There is also no way for you to say case closed either if you’re being honest. We just don’t know enough about this card or Mr. Planks views on his inserts let alone his motives if he had any at all regarding these.

John

OK, your argument questions whether Connie Mack and/or Eddie Plank were anti-tobacco. Furthermore, you are skeptical that they did not want their images associated
with tobacco (cigarettes). Fine....so what is your theory why Mack's and Plank's images are not featured in the T3, T201, T202, T205, T213, T214, or T215 sets ?
Seriously, why the T206 Plank card was yanked early in the game (similarly to the Wagner card) ? And, the fact that most of the Plank's were shipped out of Factory #30.
Do you "dig" the significance of why that is so ?

Instead of "slamming" my theory's, present your explanation for why these two major-Major League figures of that era were not printed in any of those 7 ATC sets ? ?

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Ted, there are more exceptions to consider than T204. There is T216, T208, and Punch Cigars etc.

T208

Just a reminder, the Cullivan's Fireside set was printed from the images in the E104 (Candy) cards.





T216

Just a reminder, the T216's were printed from the images in the American Caramel sets.




TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Ted, I’m not slamming your theory why you are always so defensive is beyond me. I say 2 times above your theory is as good as any I have heard.

I’m simply saying I don’t think you have a smoking gun and its case closed in terms of the T206 Plank. Because quite simply you do not know for 100% certainty that your theory is the “real” story, you may have a compelling argument but you haven’t produced iron clad evidence to support your theory that I have seen. At least not enough for me to say to others this is the reason Eddie Plank’s T206 is tough.

That’s all I’m saying I have my thoughts on the card and will try to type something up later…it will be just my thoughts on the card and not a debunk of your theory. I can’t discredit yours or anyone else’s theory because like you I have no real 100% proof.

Cheers,

John