PSA will authenticate anything

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by travrosty

thats not the point, the point is they say they will do one thing, and we should expect they keep their word. if they dont have another one to compare against, how do they know its the real thing. they are authenticating, not guessing. authenticating means verifying that its real. what did they do to verify it?

Travis and Michael,
I definitely get the point. I was merely making light of the rediculousness of slabbing a Chico and the Man ticket. That's why I used the

[Shoeless Moe]

...they authenticated it as Authentic......no grade....maybe it was trimmed?

unfortunately this one does me no good, as I'm in the market for a PSA 5 or better Chico and the Man ticket. I'm gonna put it next to my PSA authenticated Bus Pass.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

...they authenticated it as Authentic......no grade....maybe it was trimmed?

unfortunately this one does me no good, as I'm in the market for a PSA 5 or better Chico and the Man ticket. I'm gonna put it next to my PSA authenticated Bus Pass.

LOL

[sports-rings]

Scott,

sorry I failed to see the humor in your post.

But, hey, if PSA could let a Wagner get through that turned out to be trimmed, is it a big deal if the Chico and The Man ticket was trimmed too?

By the way, has PSA said anything about the Bill Mastro admission that the Wagner card was trimmed and PSA slabbed it with a high grade?

[glynparson]

It's not an autograph. Stick to ripping them on their atrocious job of boxing authentication, whereyou are right. as I think in this case your dead wrong on needing an exemplar to authenticate a ticket or card. You need knowledge of said item yes an exempkar in hand no.

[toybulldog]

Originally Posted by glynparson

It's not an autograph. Stick to ripping them on their atrocious job of boxing authentication, whereyou are right. as I think in this case your dead wrong on needing an exemplar to authenticate a ticket or card. You need knowledge of said item yes an exempkar in hand no.

I appreciate your comments and look forward to exposing other non-authentic PSA/DNA boxing autographs for you in the future.

Yours in signatures,
Mark O.

[sports-rings]

exact replicas of the tickets were printed as insert "extras" in an Elvis LP. These reprints are routinely sold on ebay as genuine to unsuspecting buyers. If memory serves, some of these have been slabbed.

Rick - thanks for an excellent post. I'm not surprised replicas were slabbed fake. Yet some on this post don't think PSA needs examplars to authenticate.

And while PSA does claim to offer opinions in their fine print, they market their services as authentication services, not opinion makers.

[Republicaninmass]

didnt they also slab Anna-Nicole Smiths Driver license?

[drc]

I'm not a ticket expert and the idea of potentially faking unique and obscure tickets is a worthy discussion topic, but with many vintage printed or photographic items you don't require an exemplar to determine it's genuine. If you give me a unique 1880s litho trade card or photo, I can usually tell you that it's authentic without another to compare-- in part by taking out the microscope and examining the printing.

[sports-rings]

you don't require an exemplar to determine it's genuine.

Yes, you do require an exemplar. if a fake was made during the time period, using the same paper or card stock, with similar printing equipment, would that make the copy authentic?

Did PSA sit there and examine this ticket with a magnifying glass or loop and then do a paper analysis to determine it was real?

[sports-rings]

You need knowledge of said item

I'm not trying to start a fight with anyone so please don't get upset.

If they authenticate hundreds of sporting tickets I can believe they have a good knowledge of these kind of items.

But tickets to a television show? Does PSA have a database or notes or references on this subject matter?

It's like the post from several weeks ago: People at this site were asking if anyone could remember PSA sending an autograph back with an incomplete conclusion because of lack of exemplars, even on the most obscure autographs.

[drc]

I assume no one here knows how PSA goes about authenticating a ticket like this-- what are the methods, exemplars (if any), knowledge--, so I don't know how anyone here can knowledgeably criticize their methods.

The assumption here has been PSA didn't have an exemplar for this ticket, but that's nothing more than a guess. Tell me why the expert who examined this ticket couldn't have a large collection of sit com tickets for comparison? Presumably one becomes an expert in tickets by having accumulating a huge collection of tickets.

Did the examiner have an exemplar for this ticket? I don't know. How did he go about judging this ticket as authentic? I don't know.

Perhaps there was compelling provenance, such as it coming from a scrapbook which included snapshots of the submitter and vacationing family at the studio and set. Perhaps it came from the estate auction of a producer. I once got a small collection of 1970s-80s 'everyday fan' baseball game tickets from the estate auction of a former MLB GM. The collection also included his personalized executive's passes, so it wasn't hard to demonstrate the executive provenance.