O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

[yanks12025]

Do you guys know over 16,000 children die everyday because of starvation, yet not one word is mentioned on the news.

[oldjudge]

David--not a game, just an attempt to diffuse a ridiculous argument. That argument costs countless lives while the First Ammendment arguments do not.

Peter--pity. Maybe a future Supreme Court will interpret it differently.

Brock--and your point is that we should ignore the guns because children are also starving?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

David--not a game, just an attempt to diffuse a ridiculous argument. That argument costs countless lives while the First Ammendment arguments do not.

Peter--pity. Maybe a future Supreme Court will interpret it differently.

Highly unlikely.

[Gecklund311]

Peter, am I correct in saying that the Heller decision still allows for significant discretion regarding the regulation of types of guns sold as well as who can buy them? As I understand, there is a fair amount of flexibility so long as the law doesn't effectively disarm citizens as the DC laws were interpreted to do.

[packs]

The second amendment as it applies to regular citizens is predicated on people's need to hunt in order to feed themselves. This is still true even today. I think guns have a place in America and I think there ARE still people who NEED a gun. If I choose to hunt rather than buy store bought food pumped full of hormones and who knows what else I should have the option to do so. So I don't think banning all guns is logical. But I do support a limitation on the kinds of guns you can buy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

The second amendment as it applies to regular citizens is predicated on people's need to hunt in order to feed themselves.

Where do you get that interpretation? The text says it's because a militia is necessary.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gecklund311

Peter, am I correct in saying that the Heller decision still allows for significant discretion regarding the regulation of types of guns sold as well as who can buy them? As I understand, there is a fair amount of flexibility so long as the law doesn't effectively disarm citizens as the DC laws were interpreted to do.

Time place and manner restrictions have been upheld against First Amendment challenge even though the Amendment says Congress shall make NO LAW abridging the freedom of speech. I suspect the same is true in the Second Amendment context although I don't know the area that well. I personally thought the decision was wrong, and that the Second Amendment does need to be read with the Militia Clause as a limiting factor, but nobody asked me.