T206 sheets: Huge factory numbers at back bottom

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by atx840

Well....

Well that certainly mucks things up. Keep looking!

[Jantz]

For anyone who is keeping track of T206s with sheet numbers.

Beaumont
Cobb (bat on)
Durham
Gilbert
Johnson (port)
Killian (pitching)
Mathewson (port)
Merkle (port)
Overall (port)
Spade
Steinfeldt (port)
Tannehill ("L" on front-Chi.)

These all have Sweet Caporal 350 f#30 backs

Chris has sent me a cropped scan of the T206 with the "25" sheet number on the bottom, but I don't know the player or series number of the card.

As far as Rhoades (right arm extend), I guess I'm still on the fence about this card since the mark may be a sheet aligment mark instead of a sheet number since it appears on the side of the card instead of the bottom.

Tim - Interesting list of names in your post (#12). Add McGraw & Pfeffer to your list from Chris' post (#11) and you have the same list of players I theorized about being on a sheet together in the Sweet Caporal 460 f#42 series.

With so many of us working different angles to reassembling a sheet, I think its only a matter of time before it happens. Hopefully everyone can work together and keep sharing their information and discoveries.



Jantz

[mrvster]

you can add tannehill and killian

[Jantz]

Noted and added to previous post

Thanks Johnny!


Jantz

[Runscott]

Jantz, given Ted's reasoning for the large '30' being on the sheet bottoms, it makes just as much sense (to me, anyway) that it would sometimes be stamped on the side.

What doesn't make sense is not seeing it stamped on Piedmonts as well.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Runscott

What doesn't make sense is not seeing it stamped on Piedmonts as well.

Scott - Sweet Caporal No.25 and No.30 were the only backs that looked exactly the same, with the exception of the factory number, printed at the same time.

So Piedmont's were always printed with a factory 25 until they made the change in the 460 series and printed them with factory 42. They were never printed with both factory designations at the same time.

So the thinking goes that the large numbers made it easier for the printers to distinguish these nearly identical backs that were being printed at the same time. Ever other back could be easily identified and a large factory number wouldn't be necessary.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Scott - Sweet Caporal No.25 and No.30 were the only backs that looked exactly the same, with the exception of the factory number, printed at the same time.

So Piedmont's were always printed with a factory 25 until they made the change in the 460 series and printed them with factory 42. They were never printed with both factory designations at the same time.

So the thinking goes that the large numbers made it easier for the printers to distinguish these nearly identical backs that were being printed at the same time. Ever other back could be easily identified and a large factory number wouldn't be necessary.

Doh!!!!

Got it - thanks for bearing with me

[t206hound]

I hope Johnny doesn't mind, but he found an Ames Portrait factory 25 at the Philly Show; he recalled previously owning an Ames Portrait with the 30 at the bottom, but had sold/traded it. However, I found another Ames Portrait on cardtarget.com that showed factory 30 at the bottom.

This would leads me to believe in the probability that the sheet layouts may have been identical between factory 25 and 30, realizing that the Plank card was replaced at some point during the the printing of the thirties and not included in the twenty-fives (I believe this is the one difference between the subsets).

I will update Jantz's list here for the "Huge Factory Number" 30; there are currently 13 14 known:

• Ames (port)
• Beaumont
• Cobb (bat on)
• Durham
• Gilbert
• Johnson (port)
• Killian (pitching)
• Mathewson (port)
• Merkle (port)
• Overall (port)
• Spade
• Steinfeldt (port)
• Tannehill ("L" on front-Chi.)
• Wagner (bat left)

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Noted and added to previous post

Thanks Johnny!


Jantz

I have a Matty Portrait with almost a full 30 on the bottom, Jim R has seen it.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I have a Matty Portrait with almost a full 30 on the bottom, Jim R has seen it.

So what are the rest of us - sliced liver?

[mrvster]

Show THE SHEET # DAN!!!! I think I saw an image, or i might be dreaming...btw, id love to have 1/16 of the errors/freak t206 you have, sick, sick, sickness and i haven't even seen the surface.......

Jantz,Tim, Ted, Clayton, Scott, and all the rest....

great input.....i knew these sheet numbers would start to get the attention they deserve!!

Scott- u started me out on them w/ killian about 10 or twelve years ago....i picked it up from you for 50 bucks.....i thought you were insane to sell it....i remember my $50 check got lost in the mail and i was freaking out!! finally, u got the check and i got killian.....still with me, my first sheet #30....since then i have approx 5 or 6 including the rhodes side sheet....wow.....i am still having bad dreams about not buying all your scraps.....i had the great misfortune of passing on downey overprint....and downer double struck sweet cap back, and all the rest....i did get another double stamped sweet cap back, but took me almost ten years........................................... ....


i dont want to throw salt in the wound or hijack the thread, but if we could have the cards we almost had....youd have those scrap freaks back im sure , plus your bl 460s......makes me sick for you.....


i would have my wagner from the time i was a kid, or the triple stamped grem brown om, uppy 4 back willets scrap(at least chris got it) or so many others, makes me sick to stomach.....

but then i say, i am blessed to have the cards i was able to hunt down over the many years and am extremely happy!!!THANK GOD!!


nice score on the other johnson sheet number....this time, hold onto at least one....im the opposite of you, i'm a hoarder


thanks for listening to my rage...

btw..HAS SOMEONE ACTUALLY HELD A SHEET # FACT 25???????

i have seen a scan on the museum, but thats it..........


wheres my white whale of a fact 25