O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

[Texxxx]

Most of the people here that are against ARs don't seem to be against other forms of guns. Why? In the US, assault rifles are not allowed to be fully automatic and the average rate of fire for a AR is 40-60 rpm. Anyone with some experience can take a semi automatic hand gun and shoot that many rounds off in a minute. Also most of the ARs shoot a NATO .223 with is very slightly larger than a .22. Where lots of hand guns shoot much larger shells and do much more damage. Please help me understand why you think ARs are so bad! Please give reasons and not emotions.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

Most of the people here that are against ARs don't seem to be against other forms of guns. Why? In the US, assault rifles are not allowed to be fully automatic and the average rate of fire for a AR is 40-60 rpm. Anyone with some experience can take a semi automatic hand gun and shoot that many rounds off in a minute. Also most of the ARs shoot a NATO .223 with is very slightly larger than a .22. Where lots of hand guns shoot much larger shells and do much more damage. Please help me understand why you think ARs are so bad! Please give reasons and not emotions.

Exactly.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

Anyone with some experience can take a semi automatic hand gun and shoot that many rounds off in a minute. Also most of the ARs shoot a NATO .223 with is very slightly larger than a .22. Where lots of hand guns shoot much larger shells and do much more damage.

Exactly! That's what I said in the Aurora thread and again earlier in this thread. People who want to continue to bash ARs ignore that fact. I love my 9mm. I own 7 guns and, by far, that is my favorite. If I found myself a victim of a situation as such in Aurora, I would rather have my 9mm over an AR any day.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Exactly! That's what I said in the Aurora thread and again earlier in this thread. People who want to continue to bash ARs ignore that fact. I love my 9mm. I own 7 guns and, by far, that is my favorite. If I found myself a victim of a situation as such in Aurora, I would rather have my 9mm over an AR any day.

David, you and I get along, so please don't take this the wrong way.

The last thing I would want in a situation like Aurora, is a guy I don't know, with a 9mm, or any other type of gun, trying to protect me 'just in case' a mass murderer happens to show up. Again, to me the costs outweigh the benefits.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

Most of the people here that are against ARs don't seem to be against other forms of guns. Why? In the US, assault rifles are not allowed to be fully automatic and the average rate of fire for a AR is 40-60 rpm. Anyone with some experience can take a semi automatic hand gun and shoot that many rounds off in a minute. Also most of the ARs shoot a NATO .223 with is very slightly larger than a .22. Where lots of hand guns shoot much larger shells and do much more damage. Please help me understand why you think ARs are so bad! Please give reasons and not emotions.

I'm against any kind of gun that's designed for war. 40-60 rpm isn't something you need for deer-hunting or any other kind of sport hunting. And unless you are defending yourself from a hoard of invaders, you don't need 40-60 rpm for self-defense.

To me it's a cost/benefit thing - the costs to society outweigh the benefits to the individual - drastically.

[Texxxx]

Originally Posted by Runscott

you don't need 40-60 rpm for self-defense.

When two guys break into my house, I dont want a gun that takes 10 seconds between shots. I want to be able to pull off 3-4 rounds as fast as possible before they can get to me. I'm not planning to shoot all 40-60 rounds but I want the first ones fast and to do that you need a gun with a high rate of fire.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

When two guys break into my house, I dont want a gun that takes 10 seconds between shots. I want to be able to pull off 3-4 rounds as fast as possible before they can get to me. I'm not planning to shoot all 40-60 rounds but I want the first ones fast and to do that you need a gun with a high rate of fire.

Bet my arrow would have the same result at 20 feet. :-). Have you ever seen the movie "Deliverance"?

[White Borders]

So tragic. When something like this happens it reminds me of the Brenda Spencer shooting spree. Bob Geldof said it best:

I Don't Like Mondays

The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload.
And nobody's gonna go to school today,
She's going to make them stay at home.
And daddy doesn't understand it,
He always said she was good as gold.
And he can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be shown?
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.
The telex machine is kept so clean
As it types to a waiting world.
And mother feels so shocked,
Father's world is rocked,
And their thoughts turn to
Their own little girl.
Sweet 16 ain't that peachy keen,
No, it ain't so neat to admit defeat.
They can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reasons do you need.. ooh
-ooh-ooh
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
I want to shoot
The whole day down, down, down... shoot it all down
All the playing's stopped in the playground now
She wants to play with her toys a while.
And school's out early and soon we'll be learning
And the lesson today is how to die.
And then the bullhorn crackles,
And the captain tackles,
With the problems and the hows and whys.
And he can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to die, die, ooh...ooh?
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays
Tell me why?
I don't like, I don't like, I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like, I don't like, I don't like Mondays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Mondays.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.

[martindl]

So sad, just a terrible thing. Twenty children, as young as five, just indiscriminately killed. Imagine the horror for every little boy and girl who happened to be in the rooms. Teachers and administrators too. And the parents, the poor parents, and their extended family's and the childrens playmates.

My thoughts, my prayers and my tears go out to all.

I have many thoughts on what's been posted, but today is not the day.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

When two guys break into my house, I dont want a gun that takes 10 seconds between shots. I want to be able to pull off 3-4 rounds as fast as possible before they can get to me. I'm not planning to shoot all 40-60 rounds but I want the first ones fast and to do that you need a gun with a high rate of fire.

Okay, so what it comes down to is that you feel your need to defend yourself with such effectiveness outweighs the threat that such weapons pose to society if in the wrong hands.

I don't own a gun, and still feel totally safe in my home, so I of course would disagree with you, but it's not on my 'hugely passionate about' list.

But I would feel a helluva lot safer if I felt that as a society, we were making a bigger effort to treat the people with the problems BEFORE they started making the 'which weapon?' decision. That is something that I obviously AM passionate about.